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    Here is my predicted averages for ppg:

    CJ Watson: 7
    George Hill: 11
    CJ Miles: 9
    David West: 15
    Roy Hibbert: 12
    Rodney Stuckey: 10
    Damjan Rudez: 5
    Luis Scola: 8
    Ian Mahinmi: 3
    Chris Copeland: 5
    Solomon Hill: 3

    That = 88 ppg.

    Last year, 93 ppg was the lowest total points scored by a team on average. This team is gonna struggle putting points up each night without Lance and PG.
    Here we come lottery?

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    I think if Copeland gets enough minutes between the backup 3 and 4 he could easily average 12 to 14 points a game. He might give up double that on defense though.

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    Hill and Roy will both most likely average 15+ppg, especially Hill. If Damjan is able to convert his game to the NBA, and is the still the shooter we are lead to believe he is I think he could easily average 8. I remember sometime not that long ago someone posted an article stating that points were the easiest statistic to replace in basketball. So the points will be there, it is just a matter of finding out from who.

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    I can see our offense being similar to that of the Grizzlies last season. They played the slowest pace in the league, and made other teams adjust to their slow, grind it out style. They played through their PF, and ran a lot of PnR/PnP action with their PG - with their wings spotting up or cutting off the ball. They played their C in the high post more than we probably can, but I think NOT having Roy's touches being restricted to low post touches could help him a little more.

    I think we will slow the game with our starters, reduce the number of possessions, and play a smart, tough, efficient style of offense. The loss of Lance and George takes away most of our creativity and freelance (pun intended) ability. So we will have to utilize smart offensive play, and reduce unnecessary turnovers. This also allows for more ball movement, and better shot selection.

    Much like we've seen from other IND guards when pushed into a bigger offensive role (Teague, Conley) I definitely think we will see more offense from G.Hill this season. I also think a guy like Stuckey is going to be closer to the 12-13ppg mark simply because he's going to have the ball in his hands. I know a lot of people like the idea of starting Watson and Hill, but I like the idea of starting Hill and either Stuckey of Miles a lot better. I like having Watson being able to come off the bench, as he's a known quantity. Hill is going to have to be called upon to score more, so it doesn't matter at this point if he's laying the PG or the SG spot, his role should be the same.

    I'd like (wish) to see the second unit led by Watson, Stuckey/Miles, Copeland and Mahinmi play at a bit of a faster pace and spread the floor a little more than our starters would be able to. I know the FO wants to continue to feature Scola, and he may not be a terrible option, but a faster paced second unit could help offset the slow pace we are going to have to play with the starters.

    If I had to predict rounded averages:


    George Hill: 15
    Rodney Stuckey: 12
    Solomon Hill: 6
    David West: 15
    Roy Hibbert: 13
    CJ Watson: 7
    CJ Miles: 10
    Damjan Rudez: 4
    Luis Scola: 6
    Ian Mahinmi: 2
    Chris Copeland: 6

    Puts us at about 96 ppg.
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    I would not be surprised at all if George Hill is our leading scorer.

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    I think the points will come from increased ball/player movement and hopefully playing a few more guys who can stretch the court.

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    Hill- 16
    Roy- 14
    West- 15
    Miles- 12
    Solo- 9
    Watson- 6
    Rudez- 5
    Scola- 6
    Mahinmi- 3
    Stuckey- 10

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    Our offense is going to go through a major change/shift from last season. Due to that, I honestly cannot even assign average PPG to certain players. I will say that I expect a few players to have some pretty different averages than last year.

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    Hill- 16
    Roy- 14
    West- 15
    Miles- 12
    Solo- 9
    Watson- 6
    Rudez- 5
    Scola- 6
    Mahinmi- 3
    Stuckey- 10
    We are obviously not going to score the same number of points per game as last year. That's completely illogical.

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    This thread...LOL!
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    Stuckey - 75, obviously
    Rest of roster - like 6

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    This thread...LOL!
    I don't get it?

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    I'd not be surprised to see Rodney Stuckey score 15 ppg if he get 30 minutes a night , he has already done that in the past. Last season he averaged 14 in 27 minutes a night.

    West 16-17
    Stuckey 15
    G.Hill 13
    Hibbert 12
    Miles 11
    Scola 7
    Watson 6
    S. Hill 4
    Mahinmi 3

    The rest Copeland, Rudez, Allen, Sloan and whoever is signed will occasionally have success in limit minutes and at times.

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    I don't get it?
    Me neither...the thread that is. Like Hill leading in points...lol.
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    A lot will depend on the line-ups we play and what kind of offense we are going to see. I agree with Ace E.Anderson that we will probably play a bit like the Grizzlies did last year. Roy is a pretty good passer and has a decent face-up jumper for a big man. I hope that we will see some better screening this year, so we can get some open looks for our shooters. Solo and Miles would be the new 2 starters, let Stuckey try to create with the 2nd unit, with Watson/Rudez/Cope as the shooters, or leave Rudez/Cope out and put Scola in with Mahinmi at center. Let's pray that we will also try to use Scola's game down low. I don't know about Rudez defense, but in a way it will be comical if teams have Scola and Cope against them in the PnR game, we'd just switch every time since it will be impossible for teams to get an even bigger advantage. Probably the worst defensive duo in the league. Teams are gonna score on us big time.

    West 18
    Hill 17
    Hibbert 14

    and the bench will be up and down
    Yay, I don't know if we're going back to the play-offs!

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    Default Re: Where do the points come from?

    Hill- 16ppg
    Stuckey- 12ppg
    Hill- 8ppg
    West= 16 ppg
    Hibbert= 14ppg

    Miles 11ppg
    Copeland- 6ppg
    Scola- 8ppg
    Ian- 4 ppg
    Rudez- 5ppg


    Not all players play 82 games. So please don't add it up and suggest I am a homer. Anyone of the players could garner 2ppg more/less. We won't have a 20ppg player this year. Not all these players will be here at the end of the year. There will be a trade.

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    Hill- 16ppg
    Stuckey- 12ppg
    Hill- 8ppg
    West= 16 ppg
    Hibbert= 14ppg

    Miles 11ppg
    Copeland- 6ppg
    Scola- 8ppg
    Ian- 4 ppg
    Rudez- 5ppg


    Not all players play 82 games. So please don't add it up and suggest I am a homer. Anyone of the players could garner 2ppg more/less. We won't have a 20ppg player this year. Not all these players will be here at the end of the year. There will be a trade.
    You forgot Watson. But good post

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    You forgot Watson. But good post
    Daggit. I did. Ah well. This is barely a playoff team with defense and pisspoor offense.

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    I hope we find a way to give Damjan Rudez minutes. I don't like Copeland at the back-up 3.

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    Daggit. I did. Ah well. This is barely a playoff team with defense and pisspoor offense.
    We may set the record for the least amount of ppg by a team in the modern era.

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    I think HIll scores 15 ppg this season easily. We won't be a good offensive team, but I see us as on par with last year, so still bad, but I don't see us as worse. My bigger concern is defensively honestly.

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    I would not be surprised at all if George Hill is our leading scorer.
    Yeah, he's capable. This guy is one of the best scores in Indiana high school history and was a very good scorer in college, also he was a fantastic per minute scorer in San Antonio. The year Paul transitioned to an all star with Danny out and a pretty average Lance at the 2, Hill averaged about 15 per for that team, I think he will land between 16 and 18 this season.

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    I don't see Roy's scoring increasing significantly at all. More important will be

    1.) Can he score efficiently and also pick up his offensive rebound rate which fell off a cliff last season

    2.) Can he still anchor the defense

    Most likely guys to see a meaningful scoring boost, G. Hill and West. Stuckey and Miles will also both average double didgits as well. Also, PPG is relatively meaningless, more improtant will be our efficiency. The Pacers were actually a fairly efficient offensive team for the first 40-50 games of last season. Two things changed though to really hurt that, 1.) Paul's shooting dipped 2.) Lance's assists dipper and movement stagnated.


    A lot of this is on Frank also. Talent is fairly meaningless in PPG, I mean look at the Lakers last year, 103 PPG and they had zero talent. West is at the very least a proven half court scorer. There are a lot of unknowns for this team. We are certainly less talented without PG, but I don't know that it will translate to less PPG, like I said I am much more worried about the defense. Paul's impact on that end of the court cannot be overstated. His effort and ability changed offenses as much as Roy if not more honestly. No one in the NBA was able to cover as much ground defensively as easily as PG did last year, it was a masterpiece to watch Paul play off the ball defense last seaosn, his ability to help the paint and recover back out to perimeter shooters was simply unmatched last year. Unless Miles or Solo shows us some as yet unseen defense we are sorely lacking in that area. D. West in particular will really be hurting. West is a clever defender, but his lateral speed is pretty poor, often Paul would cover for this by cheating down and bothering West's man when he had the ball, Stuckey is certainly not capable of this, and Miles while a hard working defender does not have the natural instincts on that end Paul has always displayed, if we are going to have this in our lineup it will probably have to come from Solo.

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    If Copeland plays, he will average at least 1/2 point per minute, so if he plays around 20 mpg, he'll be a double digit scorer.

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    Roy of course. He should get all the touches he wants.

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