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I refuse to watch. Its still too soon.
I refuse to watch. Its still too soon.
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Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"
"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?"
In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
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A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
Rule #4
Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
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If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
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Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
Rule #7
Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
Rule #8
We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
Rule #9
Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
Rule #10
We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
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Do not advertise anything without talking about it with the administrators first. This includes advertising with your signature, with your avatar, through private messaging, and/or by making a thread or post.
Whether your are a long standing forum member or whether you have just registered today, it's a good idea to read and review the rules below so that you have a very good idea of what to expect when you come to Pacers Digest.
A quick note to new members: Your posts will not immediately show up when you make them. An administrator has to approve at least your first post before the forum software will later upgrade your account to the status of a fully-registered member. This usually happens within a couple of hours or so after your post(s) is/are approved, so you may need to be a little patient at first.
Why do we do this? So that it's more difficult for spammers (be they human or robot) to post, and so users who are banned cannot immediately re-register and start dousing people with verbal flames.
Below are the rules of Pacers Digest. After you have read them, you will have a very good sense of where we are coming from, what we expect, what we don't want to see, and how we react to things.
Rule #1
Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:
"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"
"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"
"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"
"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"
"He/she is just delusional"
"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"
"I'm going to take a moment to point and
/ laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*""Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good?
"In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.
We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.
Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.
That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.
A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.
There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.
Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.
In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.
Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.
If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!
All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.
Rule #2
If the actions of an administrator inspire you to make a comment, criticism, or express a concern about it, there is a wrong place and a couple of right places to do so.
The wrong place is to do so in the original thread in which the administrator took action. For example, if a post gets an infraction, or a post gets deleted, or a comment within a larger post gets clipped out, in a thread discussing Paul George, the wrong thing to do is to distract from the discussion of Paul George by adding your off topic thoughts on what the administrator did.
The right places to do so are:
A) Start a thread about the specific incident you want to talk about on the Feedback board. This way you are able to express yourself in an area that doesn't throw another thread off topic, and this way others can add their two cents as well if they wish, and additionally if there's something that needs to be said by the administrators, that is where they will respond to it.
B) Send a private message to the administrators, and they can respond to you that way.
If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.
Rule #3
If a poster is bothering you, and an administrator has not or will not deal with that poster to the extent that you would prefer, you have a powerful tool at your disposal, one that has recently been upgraded and is now better than ever: The ability to ignore a user.
When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:
A) Any post they make will be completely invisible as you scroll through a thread.
B) The new addition to this feature: If someone QUOTES a user you are ignoring, you do not have to read who it was, or what that poster said, unless you go out of your way to click on a link to find out who it is and what they said.
To utilize this feature, from any page on Pacers Digest, scroll to the top of the page, look to the top right where it says 'Settings' and click that. From the settings page, look to the left side of the page where it says 'My Settings', and look down from there until you see 'Edit Ignore List' and click that. From here, it will say 'Add a Member to Your List...' Beneath that, click in the text box to the right of 'User Name', type in or copy & paste the username of the poster you are ignoring, and once their name is in the box, look over to the far right and click the 'Okay' button. All done!
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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.
Rule #5
When you share or paste content or articles from another website, you must include the URL/link back to where you found it, who wrote it, and what website it's from. Said content will be removed if this doesn't happen.
An example:
If I copy and paste an article from the Indianapolis Star website, I would post something like this:
http://www.linktothearticlegoeshere.com/article
Title of the Article
Author's Name
Indianapolis Star
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The legal means of watching or listening to NBA games are NBA League Pass Broadband (for US, or for International; both cost money) and NBA Audio League Pass (which is free). Look for them on NBA.com.
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Provocative statements in a signature, or as an avatar, or as the 'tagline' beneath a poster's username (where it says 'Member' or 'Administrator' by default, if it is not altered) are an unwanted distraction that will more than likely be removed on sight. There can be shades of gray to this, but in general this could be something political or religious that is likely going to provoke or upset people, or otherwise something that is mean-spirited at the expense of a poster, a group of people, or a population.
It may or may not go without saying, but this goes for threads and posts as well, particularly when it's not made on the off-topic board (Market Square).
We do make exceptions if we feel the content is both innocuous and unlikely to cause social problems on the forum (such as wishing someone a Merry Christmas or a Happy Easter), and we also also make exceptions if such topics come up with regards to a sports figure (such as the Lance Stephenson situation bringing up discussions of domestic abuse and the law, or when Jason Collins came out as gay and how that lead to some discussion about gay rights).
However, once the discussion seems to be more/mostly about the political issues instead of the sports figure or his specific situation, the thread is usually closed.
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We prefer self-restraint and/or modesty when making jokes or off topic comments in a sports discussion thread. They can be fun, but sometimes they derail or distract from a topic, and we don't want to see that happen. If we feel it is a problem, we will either delete or move those posts from the thread.
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Generally speaking, we try to be a "PG-13" rated board, and we don't want to see sexual content or similarly suggestive content. Vulgarity is a more muddled issue, though again we prefer things to lean more towards "PG-13" than "R". If we feel things have gone too far, we will step in.
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We like small signatures, not big signatures. The bigger the signature, the more likely it is an annoying or distracting signature.
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Re: FIBA World Cup
It's interesting to hear the commentators mention how in some countries - even countries where football (soccer) is the #1 sport - this tournament is drawing more viewers than the FIFA World Cup. Argentina and Greece were two notable names he mentioned, which by the way, should be one heck of a game. Probably my two favorite teams of the tournament because of how they move the ball and give everyone a chance to be a factor on any given night. Very smart, very experienced teams.Originally posted by Nuntius View Post2015, 2016, 2019 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC DreamersComment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
I don't know enough about the teams in the tournament, is anyone besides Spain even close to capable of knocking off the U.S.?Comment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
I've been watching almost non-stop since day 2. The only breaks that I take are when I have to train myself. Since Nuntius won't say it, I will. The refs screwed Finland over against Turkey. The final shot should have been two free throws, but the refs missed 2 players fouling (Asik grabbed the shooters jersey and the other guy hit him on the hand). Tough to swallow I can imagine.
Also, people can complain about this being boring or whatever, but just look at where the NBA is going. Definitely having a lot of Euro influences. Furthermore, team USA isn't that sure to win it. Spain has a real shot at beating them, the home crowd will help a lot and the only players from team USA that have looked good this tournament have been Davis and Faried. Turkey showed a lot of flaws of this team and even the Dominicans could hang around for almost 2 full quarters. If the rest of the guys won't step up, it will take a legendary performance by the Brow to win the gold. I don't see Faried manhandling the Gasol brothers and Ibaka the way he's done the rest of the competition.
So maybe it would be good to watch some games before writing the tournament off.Trying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!Comment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
Yep, that's absolutely true. The refs really did screw Finland over in that game. I still remember that Koivisto drive that you mention. I have no idea how the refs missed that. It was a 2 point game at the time and Finland could have tied it. But they didn't call anything so Turkey went the other way and made it a 4 point lead (effectively ending the game).Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
Hey, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that way
Personally, I have never understood why football is the #1 sport in Greece. We are much, much better at basketball than we are at football. Basketball should absolutely be the #1 sport in Greece just like it is in Lithuania.Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
Today's game with Argentina was indeed a heck of a game. I really cannot believe that we are playing that well. I never expected a 5-0 record in that group.Originally posted by IrishPacer
Empty vessels make the most noise.Comment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
Bourousis was his usual self, providing great passing out of the post and a consistent post scorer with a sprinkle from the outside. But Calathes was incredible. I think if we're going to talk about a surprise reason for why Greece is playing so well, it starts with the play at the point. Then we can mention contributions from Printezis, Zisis and the rest of the role players filling in and playing together.Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
I'm looking forward to the matchup against Serbia. I think it's a much more favorable matchup for Greece than Brazil would have been, as I think Brazil's strength inside would have provided problems for Greece's thin front line, especially if Bourousis got in foul trouble trying to bang with Nene or goaded into fouls by Varejao. I wouldn't mind seeing Antentokounmpo get a couple possessions on Teodosic.2015, 2016, 2019 IKL Fantasy Basketball Champions - DC DreamersComment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
Didn't Greece win the Olympic Gold in Soccer when they hosted the games? That could be a reason.Originally posted by Nuntius View PostYep, that's absolutely true. The refs really did screw Finland over in that game. I still remember that Koivisto drive that you mention. I have no idea how the refs missed that. It was a 2 point game at the time and Finland could have tied it. But they didn't call anything so Turkey went the other way and made it a 4 point lead (effectively ending the game).
Hey, I'm glad that I'm not the only one who feels that way
Personally, I have never understood why football is the #1 sport in Greece. We are much, much better at basketball than we are at football. Basketball should absolutely be the #1 sport in Greece just like it is in Lithuania.
Today's game with Argentina was indeed a heck of a game. I really cannot believe that we are playing that well. I never expected a 5-0 record in that group.Comment
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Re: FIBA World Cup
Australia tanked against Angola to try and avoid the US until the medal rounds and Goran Dragic's pissed
Basketball is a beautiful sport, there is no room for fixing the game like today Australia vs Angola!! @FIBA should do something about that!
— Goran Dragic (@Goran_Dragic) September 4, 2014
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Bourousis has really impressed me in this tournament. His scoring and passing were never in question but his defense and rebounding were and he was been absolutely amazing at those two aspects.Originally posted by Kuq_e_Zi91 View Post
I also agree that Calathes has been incredible. He has been very good at getting us out on the break and distributing and half court sets and he is always there to score if needed. The same can be told about Printezis and Zisis. Really, I don't have any complain from any player. All of them have been amazing.
Coach Katsikaris has done an unbelievable job. Our defensive rotations have been flawless (especially when Antetokounmpo is in the game) and our ball movement is great as well. We entered this tournament without big expectations but we have been playing great. It's really amazing.
Personally, I will consider this tournament a success even if we lose to Serbia. We have played a lot better than we did in last year's EuroBasket and we have proven that we belong.
Close enough. We didn't win the Gold in the 2004 Summer Olympics. Argentina won the Olympic Gold. We played with our U-23 team and we finished last in a group with 2 losses (0-2 to Mali, 2-3 to Mexico) and a draw (2-2 to South Korea). What we did win was the Euro 2004 hosted by Portugal. This title was pretty huge for Greece's football but it's also the only major title that our football NT has ever won.Originally posted by immortality View Post
Our basketball NT won the Gold in the 1987 EuroBasket (beating the Soviets, that placed 2nd in the 1986 World Cup, in overtime), won the Silver in the 1989 EuroBasket (losing to Dražen Petrović's Yugoslavia in the Finals), won the Gold in the 2005 EuroBasket (beating Nowitzki's Germany), won the Silver in the 2006 World Cup Championship in Japan (losing to Spain in the Finals after beating the US in the Semifinal) and also won the Bronze in the 2009 EuroBasket (losing to Spain in the Semifinal and beating Slovenia in the 3rd place match).
I mean, the basketball NT always had a lot more success than the football NT. We are much better at basketball than we are at football. However, it never really mattered. Football was more popular than basketball before 2004 and it kept being more popular afterwards even though the basketball NT kept winning medals.Originally posted by IrishPacer
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I didn't even mean that shot, just the one at the end of regular time. Who do you think has a shot at the bronze? To me, Argentina, Brazil and Greece are the front runners. Croatia has been underwhelming, Lithuania and Slovenia have been inconsistent in every game they played, at least Argentina puts it together a full game, if they pull it together. Also, why did Senegal just meet a zone the last game against the Philipines? Surely they must be cannon fodder from now on. France has a lot of names, but I'm not feeling them this tournament, something is off there.Originally posted by Nuntius View PostTrying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!Comment
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I agree in a way, with 2 minutes to go in the 3rd they were up 15 and they just mailed it in. Unforced turnovers that led to fastbreaks where nobody even ran back to their own half. A shame I didn't think about that, should've just switched to the other channel.Originally posted by Heisenberg View PostTrying to enjoy every Pacers game as if it is the last!Comment
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France is definitely missing Parker and Noah. They are still a dangerous team but they're obviously not at the level that they were last year.Originally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
Lithuania has been a bit inconsistent but they are a pretty good team overall. I feel that they have a good shot at the bronze since they are only going to meet the USA at the semis.
I don't know if Slovenia has been inconsistent or if they're simply dogging it. They do have a history of playing down to the competition and that's what it looked like when I saw them playing against South Korea. One could say that Dragic does have a reason to be mad at Australia's tanking since if Australia won then Slovenia would take the 1st place since they had the upper hand in a triple tie. However, they brought this one to themselves. They were beating Lithuania but they completely collapsed in the final quarter. They only scored 2 points in the 4th quarter. Only a single basket. They lost the quarter 12-2 and lost the 1st place. As a result they are going to meet USA a lot earlier than expected.
Croatia has been a bit underwhelming but I feel that they are better than they have shown so far. I feel that they have been dogging it a bit as well. They were a lot more serious today and they dominated Puerto Rico from the opening tip. Croatia vs France is going to be a very nice game.
Argentina has been very good. Scola has been performing great, their defense is physical and they are getting contributions from a number of players. We are fortunate that we were hitting our 3s tonight. I don't think that we would win tonight if we were shooting below 20% from 3. They definitely have a shot at the bronze.
Brazil has been good as well. They were able to win two close games against France and Serbia. Their game against Argentina is going to be amazing as well.
Australia has been good as well but I don't think that they can reach the semis. They can definitely reach the quarter-finals, though. This has been a good tournament for Australia.Originally posted by IrishPacer
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True but Slovenia had their fate in their own hands. Their game was after Australia's and all they had to do was to beat Lithuania and finish 1st. And they were doing so until the 4th period. Then they proceeded to only score one basket in an entire period and lost the game.Originally posted by pacersgroningen View PostOriginally posted by IrishPacer
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I have to admit we're much much better that I thought we would be. In fact, I would say we haven't been so convincing on both ends for many years. Maybe the the best I've seen us being ever.
As Nuntius said, the defensive rotations are excellent and you can see how everyone contributes. But it's the offense that I've been impressed with. Other years we would just stagnate with the ball on our hands, with abysmal ball movement, static as hell and we would cling on a glory shot from the perimeter. Not anymore. The ball movement is immaculate so far. Perimeter players (and not only them) have provided excellent floor spacing and we take 3 point shots under excellent circumstances.
The best part is we just don't depend on our shooting to win games. More or less it was the case in previous tournaments. I see proper post ups when we have to (Bourousi, Vougioukas and Printezis), good screens and more importantly, crucial cuts to the basket with excellent timing. And all start with our pg's, Calathes and Zisis, who have been so good so far.
I know this sounds as really glowing but we have been that good.Comment
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http://www.si.com/nba/2014/09/04/aus...fiba-world-cupOriginally posted by pacersgroningen View Post
Shameful. Dragic is obviously biased but in this case he happens to be right. This game was without a doubt fixed by Australia's players.
If they wanted to avoid playing USA that badly, they should have not accepted their invitation and let another country in that wasn't scared of a tough opponent.Last edited by Kstat; 09-05-2014, 06:20 AM.
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