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2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

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  • #16
    Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

    >>>How can anybody be underrated when they get schooled by Pero Antic?

    This idea that he was "schooled" by Pero Antic is laughable. Let's look at Pero's season numbers, shall we?
    50 GP 18.5MPG 7.0PPG on just a tick under 42% from the field.
    And now his postseason numbers vs. Pacers and Roy Hibbert :
    7 GP 24.3MPG 3.1PPG on just a tick under 17% from the field.

    He really killed Roy...

    To the other part of your response, Roy is under rated by Pacers fans. He's 7'2" and an annual DPOY candidate, even if he gave nothing on offense he'd still be getting paid. Dudes that size simply don't grow on trees. He's the best interior defender in the league. Period. Tyson Chandler makes more than him and gives essentially nothing on O and less impact on D. Opponents were shooting 45% around the rim in the Playoff when Roy was patrolling the paint, and that's him at his "worst". You can't understate that type of impact.
    Last edited by Drew46229; 07-29-2014, 01:25 PM.

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    • #17
      Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

      Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
      Yea, I disagree with those who guarantee Roy opts in. Its not a given by any means. Centers get paid in this lg. Even after an abysmal second half of the season performance Roy would still get 10 Million on the market right now. I think many of us have moderate hope that Roy plays closer to form next year which will land him back in the 12-15 range.

      Some of you all are severely underestimating the value of a guaranteed contract.

      If Roy can get a 48/4 contract he will opt out. 48/4 is very reasonable salary for a center of Hibberts caliber. Players can have career ending injuries at any time. I think many of you would do the same and give up 3 million for the added security of 48 million over 4 seasons.

      If your big roy and play 2015 season under a one year contract and get injured your leaving alotta of money on the table. Roy could put up goose eggs rebounding and scoring wise and someone would still pay close to 8M a season for his services. Not really expecting Roy to play any worse than he did last year.

      puzzling so many believe its a absolute certainty Roy opts in. Again.

      1 year @ 15.5

      or 4 years @ approx 12.5+


      Which contract would you all advise Hibbert to go with if your his Agent.
      Both. Get 1 year at 15.5 then he would still be young enough (and presumably good enough) to get a 4 year deal at 12+.

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      • #18
        Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

        Originally posted by I Love P View Post
        We all know Roy is opting in. I think West will opt OUT next offseason. I think he'll go chase a ring, and I don't blame him. He cares more than anyone on this team and I want to see him get a title.
        So hell have 3-5 teams to choose from that have a better shot than us to win it. And they won't be able to pay him anything? Makes sense

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        • #19
          Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

          Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
          How can anybody be underrated when they get schooled by Pero Antic?
          Lol, yea Antic's 3 ppg destroyed Roy

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          • #20
            Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

            Originally posted by sav View Post
            Both. Get 1 year at 15.5 then he would still be young enough (and presumably good enough) to get a 4 year deal at 12+.
            Or Roy blows out his knee during the final year of his contract and loses a guaranteed 48 Million. Roys going to get paid regardless after he opts out.

            he can make 15.5 or whatever the market dictates which one can safely assume is 12+ and gamble on staying healthy, or take the gauranteed $ losing a couple million but gaining security of 48 over 4.

            Again, if your his agent what would you advise.


            Take into account Roy knows he has an opt out option and one can safely predict Roy will have a bounce back season. Assume he finishes top 3 in DPOY category and averages a few more points and couple boards more a game this season.

            He will get an extension from some GM in this league. I was also informed on several occassions by PD that Lance was a lock to return to the blue and gold. I know i was one of the very few that subtly suggested trading Lance last all star break for a solid vet and 1st rounder so we could get some kind of return on Stephenson. I understtand Bird was "all in." but if this Franchise already had a championship I think Bird would have made that move and not lost Lance for nothing in return.

            Nothing against Lance but he was not a good fit with our starting 5. A blind monkey with an NBA fantasy team could see that coming way before the second half collapse. Again, fully understand Birds motives, but Lance was not likely going to ever be a good investment for a small market Franchise. Bird shoulda dealt his rucker park shannigans when his value was maxed.

            Unless big roys skillset regresses to greg dreilng type proportions, there is a good chance he opts out next summer. If that happens DWest could follow suite. Personally I would be A ok with both opting out, freeing up cap space to sign a stud like Dragic, then rework both of their deals.

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            • #21
              Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

              Look at what Gortat got this offseason, and what Pekovic got last season. You don't think that Roy could get a 4/48 contract. Roy is worse than those guys?

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              • #22
                Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

                Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                Lol, yea Antic's 3 ppg destroyed Roy
                on 16% shooting, literally. people just make stuff up in the summer time.

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                • #23
                  Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

                  Originally posted by kent beckley View Post
                  Look at what Gortat got this offseason, and what Pekovic got last season. You don't think that Roy could get a 4/48 contract. Roy is worse than those guys?
                  Depends which Roy we are talking about. The one from the first half of last year, yes he is better. 2nd half Roy, way worse than those guys.

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                  • #24
                    Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

                    Originally posted by PacersPride View Post
                    Or Roy blows out his knee during the final year of his contract and loses a guaranteed 48 Million. Roys going to get paid regardless after he opts out.

                    he can make 15.5 or whatever the market dictates which one can safely assume is 12+ and gamble on staying healthy, or take the gauranteed $ losing a couple million but gaining security of 48 over 4.

                    Again, if your his agent what would you advise.


                    Take into account Roy knows he has an opt out option and one can safely predict Roy will have a bounce back season. Assume he finishes top 3 in DPOY category and averages a few more points and couple boards more a game this season.

                    He will get an extension from some GM in this league. I was also informed on several occassions by PD that Lance was a lock to return to the blue and gold. I know i was one of the very few that subtly suggested trading Lance last all star break for a solid vet and 1st rounder so we could get some kind of return on Stephenson. I understtand Bird was "all in." but if this Franchise already had a championship I think Bird would have made that move and not lost Lance for nothing in return.

                    Nothing against Lance but he was not a good fit with our starting 5. A blind monkey with an NBA fantasy team could see that coming way before the second half collapse. Again, fully understand Birds motives, but Lance was not likely going to ever be a good investment for a small market Franchise. Bird shoulda dealt his rucker park shannigans when his value was maxed.

                    Unless big roys skillset regresses to greg dreilng type proportions, there is a good chance he opts out next summer. If that happens DWest could follow suite. Personally I would be A ok with both opting out, freeing up cap space to sign a stud like Dragic, then rework both of their deals.
                    There is supposed to be more TV money available in 2016. Those that are currently getting $10-12 million per year could be in the $15-18 million range. Why opt out and sign a 4year deal at $12 million per year when you could get $15 million one year and then sign a 4 year deal at $15-18 million per year? I know it is a gamble that he could get injured, but Hibbert has a history of being healthy. Also, Hibbert is in a position financially where he can gamble, even if he gets injured, he won't be standing in the welfare line.

                    I know some may disagree (which is fine) but if I were Hibbert's agent, I would advise him to take the last year at $15.5 and then become a FA.

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                    • #25
                      Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

                      Originally posted by BlueCollarColts View Post
                      Lol, yea Antic's 3 ppg destroyed Roy
                      Wasn't Roy benched vs Atlanta? How can a player be underrated when he gets benched in the biggest games of the year?
                      Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                      • #26
                        Re: 2015 Free Agency - Pacers Perspective

                        Originally posted by sav View Post
                        There is supposed to be more TV money available in 2016. Those that are currently getting $10-12 million per year could be in the $15-18 million range. Why opt out and sign a 4year deal at $12 million per year when you could get $15 million one year and then sign a 4 year deal at $15-18 million per year? I know it is a gamble that he could get injured, but Hibbert has a history of being healthy. Also, Hibbert is in a position financially where he can gamble, even if he gets injured, he won't be standing in the welfare line.

                        I know some may disagree (which is fine) but if I were Hibbert's agent, I would advise him to take the last year at $15.5 and then become a FA.
                        the salary cap spike stuff is getting overblown, the league's already looking into ways to slow the impact of the new TV money. maybe it'll happen, maybe not, but it's no guarantee that all of a sudden the cap's going to jump 15 million or something.

                        http://grantland.com/the-triangle/er...ricted-summer/

                        And that’s where things get interesting: Executives on lots of teams have gotten the sense from the league office that the NBA will try to smooth the increase of the cap level to minimize the impact of any massive one-year jump in revenue. Exactly how it would do that is unclear. The precise team salary cap — $58 million last season, $63 million this season — is tied to overall league revenues; the two rise and fall together. Players are guaranteed about 50 percent of the league’s “basketball-related income,” and the league and union set the cap figure so player salaries add up to a number in that 50 percent ballpark.

                        The league’s specific plan for smoothing out the cap increase is unclear, and in the end, it may opt against doing so at all. The players will receive their guaranteed 50 percent share of revenues regardless of any engineering.

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