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    This is just a gut reaction to my thoughts as they stand right now and with no additions or changes to the current roster so under no circumstance is this to be considered my official standings, just a snapshot of today.

    1. Cleveland
    2. Washington
    2. Chicago
    4. Toronto
    5. Indiana
    6. Atlanta
    7. Charlotte
    8. Miami

    Again that's just a gut feeling from right now. I could see arguments for Miami, Atlanta, Charlotte or even Indiana being higher.

    I just have a sneaky feeling that Bradley Beal is going to the next level this season and from what I've seen of Otto Porter in the summer league (yes I know its the summer league) he looks to have improved his game significantly.
    I'm pretty much in line with Pecks with the exception I like Atlanta's team better than the Pacers. If Horford had been healthy during the playoffs we may have been knocked out of the first round.
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    1. Cleveland
    2. Washington
    3. Chicago
    4. Toronto
    5. Indiana
    6. Charlotte
    7. Miami
    8. Detroit
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    Wow you guys think the Raptors are better than us? Smh.

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    Wow you guys think the Raptors are better than us? Smh.
    I am not saying I agree with them, but why is that so inconceivable?

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    Wow you guys think the Raptors are better than us? Smh.
    Do you realize that a division winner has to be a top 4 seed?

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    1. Cleveland (and if they get Love they will destroy the rest of the East)
    2. Chicago
    3. Charlotte
    4. Pacers
    5. Miami
    6. Wizards
    7. Toronto
    8. Atlanta

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    1. Cleveland (and if they get Love they will destroy the rest of the East)
    2. Chicago
    3. Charlotte
    4. Pacers
    5. Miami
    6. Wizards
    7. Toronto
    8. Atlanta
    However, I don't think there is all that much between 2-8. One injury or one guy playing better than expected and that could all change.
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    I am not saying I agree with them, but why is that so inconceivable?
    Probably because they only have two players who would even have a chance to sniff the starting line-up for the Pacers, and their depth is somewhat similar. Even without Lance we have one of the most talented starting 5 in the league.

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    I will say this - this particular group has ALWAYS played better within the underdog role. As they showed during the second half of last year, they struggle when they have the pressure of being the favorites. But when we are written off, or looked at with doubt by the media and the masses - we play well. The entire first half of last season was a big "f-u" to the Heat and the league following the game 7 blowout. Once we became the darlings of the media, we let the hype go to our heads and we crumbled.

    Here's to hoping everyone continues to doubt us. Here's to being able to say things like "you mf'ers don't watch us play". And here's to hoping we can get back to that physical, aggressive, defense first team that we were prior to the ASB last season.

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    Probably because they only have two players who would even have a chance to sniff the starting line-up for the Pacers, and their depth is somewhat similar. Even without Lance we have one of the most talented starting 5 in the league.
    Toronto has both Lowry and DeRozen, two proven studs. They also have good young players that will improve in Valanciunas and Ross. From a matchup standpoint, they are better than Indiana
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    1. Cleveland
    2. Washington
    3. Indiana
    4. Chicago
    5. Atlanta
    6. Toronto
    7. Detroit
    8. Miami

    I think 1-3 is a toss-up. I actually think we will be better than we ended up last year. Losing Lance may actually make our defensive consistency better, and offensively I think we can only be better than last year. Cleveland (assuming they get Love) should be better than Miami has been the past couple years, and Washington is a big wildcard...the kind of team that could destroy anyone on a day when they are hot...and get blown out the next day. I'm not really afraid of Chicago. I feel like they are a full step behind us and Cleveland.

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    Pacers will be third. The same as they would have been with lance.

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    Probably because they only have two players who would even have a chance to sniff the starting line-up for the Pacers, and their depth is somewhat similar. Even without Lance we have one of the most talented starting 5 in the league.
    Their depth is definitely better than ours. Greivis Vasquez and Amir Johnson or Patrick Patterson are better than anyone we have on the bench right now, and Lou Williams if healthy is also better than our backup wings. I agree with you on the starting lineup though.

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    Toronto has both Lowry and DeRozen, two proven studs. They also have good young players that will improve in Valanciunas and Ross. From a matchup standpoint, they are better than Indiana
    But... we have Paul George and they don't.

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    Toronto has both Lowry and DeRozen, two proven studs. They also have good young players that will improve in Valanciunas and Ross. From a matchup standpoint, they are better than Indiana
    Neither are close to being as good as Paul George, and really neither are "proven studs". Derozan is a very good scorer, but that's about it. Last year was Lowry's first year at really playing at a high level. He's got to prove that he can maintain that high level and that last year wasn't an Erick Dampier (career year during a contract year)

    Though I think the Raptors are good, and are improving - they aren't better than the Pacers.

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    Toronto has both Lowry and DeRozen, two proven studs. They also have good young players that will improve in Valanciunas and Ross. From a matchup standpoint, they are better than Indiana
    Exactly, they have two players who would have a chance to start for the Pacers. Everyone else would be bench players for us. I didn't say their players sucked, I only said they aren't as good as the team who got to the ECF the past two seasons.

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    Neither are close to being as good as Paul George, and really neither are "proven studs". Derozan is a very good scorer, but that's about it. Last year was Lowry's first year at really playing at a high level. He's got to prove that he can maintain that high level and that last year wasn't an Erick Dampier (career year during a contract year)

    Though I think the Raptors are good, and are improving - they aren't better than the Pacers.
    Toronto has us beat at PG,SG, and C. We have them beat on SF and PF. Their bench is better than ours. From a matchup perspective, they are the better team
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    Question should be are the Pacers still top 4 in the east...
    Why so SERIOUS

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    Question should be are the Pacers still top 4 in the east...
    Easily yes. Only Cleveland might be better.

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    Easily yes. Only Cleveland might be better.
    I don't understand how we are easily still an elite team. We aren't. You win in the NBA by talent. This isn't the NFL, where a HOF QB can carry your team to the playoffs every year. The Pacers are lacking talent after losing Lance. Instead of having the advantage over most opponents in the SG position, we are now at a disadvantage. Matchups guys, matchups
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    Question should be are the Pacers still top 4 in the east...
    Only if Paul George takes his game to another level, and only if Roy Hibbert can again become one of the best centers in the east. I don't have any confidence in Roy right now
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    Question should be are the Pacers still top 4 in the east...
    Depends if we get Roy Hibbert, top five center and candidate for DPOY, or Roy Hibbert, 7'2" waste of space with brick hands, no shot and for some reason an inability to rebound.

    If we get good roy i think we're top three, bad roy then 5-9
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    Depends if we get Roy Hibbert, top five center and candidate for DPOY, or Roy Hibbert, 7'2" waste of space with brick hands, no shot and for some reason an inability to rebound.

    If we get good roy i think we're top three, bad roy then 5-9
    By top three I mean 2 or 3, Cleveland should be number 1 by a mile (I think they'll have Love on the team)
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    [QUOTE=Pacergeek;1893131]You win in the NBA by talent. This isn't the NFL, where a HOF QB can carry your team to the playoffs every year.

    Weird usually argue the exact opposite of this, and usually it is NBA people arguing this.

    The reason I am so confident is because I'm not hanging from Lance's nuts. Lance is not an all-star player. He is a George Hill level player. We will survive fine without him. This team is still full of talented players, their names just aren't Lance Stephenson.

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    Probably because they only have two players who would even have a chance to sniff the starting line-up for the Pacers, and their depth is somewhat similar. Even without Lance we have one of the most talented starting 5 in the league.
    I never said I agree with the posters who put Toronto ahead of us, but I do not think that is totally out of the realm of possibility.

    Worst case scenario, Roy is 2nd half Roy all season, David is older, and PG has too much of a load to carry. If these fears come to fruition I can see a team like Toronto finishing with more wins than the Pacers.

    I am not ranking teams right now, but I see Cleveland as the frontrunners. Chicago is a step behind and after them teams like Indiana, Charlotte, Atlanta, Washington and Toronto are all neck and neck. I wouldn't put any of those teams solidly in front of each other.

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