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    Well if they move Scola and Ian in a deal and CJ. I think that maybe would open up enough to sign Turner. That would be like what 9 mil in salary gone? This Stuckey move just doesn't seem like "the replacement" to me.
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    and the 3 point line...
    He's not a 3pt shooter. That has been well established. We signed 2 other guys who specialize in 3pt shooting (Miles and Rudez). Not sure why everyone seems so hung up about Stuckey not being a 3pt specialist. He doesn't shoot a high percentage from 3. He also knows that isn't his strength and doesn't shoot them much at all.
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    Well if they move Scola and Ian in a deal and CJ. I think that maybe would open up enough to sign Turner. That would be like what 9 mil in salary gone? This Stuckey move just doesn't seem like "the replacement" to me.
    dude you are giving up our backup center, forward and guard just to sign Turner who was absolute **** last year... Grimp is finally getting the old "Ignore List" status, I've had enough

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    Well if they move Scola and Ian in a deal and CJ. I think that maybe would open up enough to sign Turner. That would be like what 9 mil in salary gone? This Stuckey move just doesn't seem like "the replacement" to me.
    Which CJ? And who plays backup center? I'm fine with Scola though.

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    The joy of RealGM:

    Pacers w/Lance: #1 or #2 seed in the East
    Pacers w/o Lance: #7 or #8 seed in the East
    Pacers w/Stuckey: not much of a drop-off from Pacers w/Lance


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    Turner was not plan B.
    100% agree. Bird just wanted a bag of chips for Granger's contract.

    They were stale.

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    Well if they move Scola and Ian in a deal and CJ. I think that maybe would open up enough to sign Turner. That would be like what 9 mil in salary gone? This Stuckey move just doesn't seem like "the replacement" to me.

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    He's not a 3pt shooter. That has been well established. We signed 2 other guys who specialize in 3pt shooting (Miles and Rudez). Not sure why everyone seems so hung up about Stuckey not being a 3pt specialist. He doesn't shoot a high percentage from 3. He also knows that isn't his strength and doesn't shoot them much at all.
    This is true. He doesn't attempt many threes. Or drop-offs. Or post-entry passes. He's equally bad at all of those things.

    He is a halfway decent mid range and post up guy, as well as a tough slasher. He's even a pretty good ballhandler. All of these are true as well.

    What holds Rodney back is he can't (or won't) pass the ball once he gets inside the paint, and when he has it going offensively teams just put a wall in front of the rim, and that's typically when things start going downhill.

    On the plus side, since he rarely passes the ball in traffic, his A/TO ratio is stellar. On the negative, that's how a guard that actively avoids long jumpers has a career FG% of 42%. While Stuckey takes half of his shots inside the paint, he only shoots 51% under the rim. By comparison, Lance shoots 63% and Hill shoots 66% from that same area.
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    Well if they move Scola and Ian in a deal and CJ. I think that maybe would open up enough to sign Turner. That would be like what 9 mil in salary gone? This Stuckey move just doesn't seem like "the replacement" to me.
    Pacers would be short of the mandatory number of players on the roster, without any cap room to sign any more players. Seriously, give it up.
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    Which CJ? And who plays backup center? I'm fine with Scola though.
    CJ Watson. Stuckey would replace him obviously. That's why this move is so weird. CJ Watson and Stuckey are on similar deals. Both 1 year contracts. Both are back up point guards. Different styles and body types, but both back up point guards.

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    I do apologize for opening up the turner can of worms, even if my original purpose was to argue against any chance of his existence in our team
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    The more I think about it, I'm okay with this signing. We could do much worse for a 1-year, vet min contract.

    I just hope Larry's not done yet.

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    We would have like no depth at all. No way.
    Stuckey would replace Watson, then you still have Sloan. Scola isn't necessary anymore with Copeland, and Rudez. Both PF's. Ian either. You have LaVoy and Whittington. Plus, Miles can play SF a bit too. And there's Solo.

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    The more I think about it, I'm okay with this signing. We could do much worse for a 1-year, vet min contract.

    I just hope Larry's not done yet.

    Well, Eric Bledsoe and Phoenix have hit a snag on their discussions of an extension. Lets hope Larry is moving in that direction. We can't acquire Bledsoe in any S&T unless we unload salary. Hibbert would be the one thing Phoenix would MAYBE be interested in.

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    That's an awfully rosy way of putting it....especially since neither TMac and Ben Gordon were bad apples here. Bad players yes, but insubordinate? No.

    The irony of you mentioning TMac is he was the one that yanked Stuckey aside after one of his suspensions and ripped him in a players-only meeting for his total lack of responsibility. It looked especially bad since TMac was a low paid role veteran just passing through for a year while Stuckey was supposed to be part of the core.

    Other than that, the above post was spot-on.

    I see we're in the fiction part of the conversation where you revise history and tell me who was the real major locker room problem during Stuckey's time here, just throwing in random names in order to make the guy you never followed until until yesterday look better by comparison.

    Like I said, I get it. May as well give the guy a chance. But don't go off the deep end and tell me what "really" went on with the team I follow and you don't.
    You're way off base now. I never said that Ben or TMac were bad apples. I only brought them up to say that the situation in Detroit was so bad that even players like them did things that could be considered "insubordination". How is that even close to going "off the deep end"? You seem to be getting angry about things I never said or meant.



    John Kuester was a horrible coach but staging a walkout on the shootaround and then laughing at him later that night when he got ejected from the game are definitely not the professional thing to do. Rodney Stuckey was right there with the vets laughing it up too. It was very disrespectful. Still, I think that when you have stuff like that going on it's a sign of a bigger problem with coaching and the front office.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Well, Eric Bledsoe and Phoenix have hit a snag on their discussions of an extension. Lets hope Larry is moving in that direction. We can't acquire Bledsoe in any S&T unless we unload salary. Hibbert would be the one thing Phoenix would MAYBE be interested in.
    Why would the Suns, one of fastest paced teams in the league, want Hibbert? Hibbert is one of the slowest players in the league and sometimes has problems playing 30 MPG in our snail's pace.
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    Still, I think that when you have stuff like that going on it's a sign of a bigger problem with coaching and the front office.
    Joe was absolutely at fault for bringing those players in. Does not excuse how Rodney conducted himself at all.

    Wasn't just the boycott with rodney. It was refusing to enter a game. It was berating coaches in practice. It was quitting on his team a few weeks into a season. It got to the point he was getting "deactivated" instead of suspended because they were tired of the media drama.

    As I said before, he fought openly with 4 different coaches. Frank was one of them and that war went to the bitter end just last year.

    Rodney always bounced back on the floor once he got let out of the doghouse, but his issues never really went away.
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    Why would the Suns, one of fastest paced teams in the league, want Hibbert? Hibbert is one of the slowest players in the league and sometimes has problems playing 30 MPG in our snail's pace.
    True. But 1 slow player out of four is a trade off. Plus.... with all the shooters they can surround him with, he would rarely get doubled. And he'd be playing with a true point guard. Something we've yet to see him do. And, for all Roy's warts.... they have pursued Pau Gasol and did not get him. They obviously WANT a true center. Lastly, in that conference? You need some sort of size. Plumlee ain't gonna get it done against DJ, Duncan, Ibaka, etc. Roy also has a better offensive game than Plumlee. It's not consistent...... but it DOES exist. Plumlee will never have a real offensive game.

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    Stuckey would replace Watson, then you still have Sloan. Scola isn't necessary anymore with Copeland, and Rudez. Both PF's. Ian either. You have LaVoy and Whittington. Plus, Miles can play SF a bit too. And there's Solo.
    Rudez and Whittingham haven't played a single NBA game yet. Whittingham isn't even fitto play right now. LaVoy has only played sparingly. Sloan is decent but he's really not that good at all.

    One of our biggest flaws last season was our bench - why would we make it even worse for a starting lineup that isn't as good as last season?

    Turner is NOT the answer.
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    True. But 1 slow player out of four is a trade off. Plus.... with all the shooters they can surround him with, he would rarely get doubled. And he'd be playing with a true point guard. Something we've yet to see him do. And, for all Roy's warts.... they have pursued Pau Gasol and did not get him. They obviously WANT a true center. Lastly, in that conference? You need some sort of size. Plumlee ain't gonna get it done against DJ, Duncan, Ibaka, etc. Roy also has a better offensive game than Plumlee. It's not consistent...... but it DOES exist. Plumlee will never have a real offensive game.
    Those are all very good reasons for the Pacers to keep Hibbert as well. Quality bigs are much harder to find than quality point guards. Hibbert has his faults, but even when he was playing badly he had a remarkable effect on our defense when playing vs. sitting.
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    Joe was absolutely at fault for bringing those players in. Does not excuse how Rodney conducted himself at all.

    Wasn't just the boycott with rodney. It was refusing to enter a game. It was berating coaches in practice. It was quitting on his team a few weeks into a season. It got to the point he was getting "deactivated" instead of suspended because they were tired of the media drama.
    Yeah, there is definitely no excuse for that. I'm not excusing that at all. I think he would've had a better season under Stan VanGundy and his coaching staff than he did with the previous coaches.

    He's coming off a pretty good season last year where he stayed out of trouble for the most part. It was a contract year and this will be a contract year for him as well. He knows he has to be on his best behavior so he can get a bigger deal next Summer.
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    Larry is not coming back, he didn't have a meeting with Orlando for not reason, yeah he is coming back to the NBA but not to the Pacers, the notion that he is a taking a year off and then come back is absurd.
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    Rudez and Whittingham haven't played a single NBA game yet. Whittingham isn't even fitto play right now. LaVoy has only played sparingly. Sloan is decent but he's really not that good at all.

    One of our biggest flaws last season was our bench - why would we make it even worse for a starting lineup that isn't as good as last season?

    Turner is NOT the answer.

    Stuckey isn't any better though. I honestly never foresaw us falling this far......

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    Stuckey isn't any better though. I honestly never foresaw us falling this far......
    Stuckey doesn't need as much space to operate as Turner because of his speed, and that was Turner's problem here.
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    Stuckey doesn't need as much space to operate as Turner because of his speed, and that was Turner's problem here.
    In addition - Turner didn't seem too accepting of the role that he needed to fill here. He was a starter and one of (if not THE) the main options on offense on a team that didn't play D. His role here was to do the opposite. He couldn't/didn't want to/whatever the reason is -- he just didn't fit.

    BTW - how many teams are lining up for him at the moment ??

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    Stuckey doesn't need as much space to operate as Turner because of his speed, and that was Turner's problem here.
    Stuckey is also built like a bull and utilizes change of pace. Turner, while smooth, is slow. If someone is physical with him, then he turns to that turnaround fadeaway.

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