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  • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

    The one reason that this COULD work is that he is basically playing for his career now. He screws this up, he's done for in the NBA.

    Now the question is, does he realize that this could be his last chance?
    "Nobody wants to play against Tyler Hansbrough NO BODY!" ~ Frank Vogel

    "And David put his hand in the bag and took out a stone and slung it. And it struck the Philistine on the head and he fell to the ground. Amen. "

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    • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

      Originally posted by Eamer View Post
      Said to my flatmate about two-three hours before the Stuckey interest was revealed - "Jameer Nelson, Stuckey or a longer shot, Kent Bazemore to replace Stephenson."

      It's the most we could expect to get and I'm not disappointed as it was alongside expectation. Stuckey isn't a bad player from what I've seen, just needs some consistency and a better situation to play in... or he'll be as good as Evan Turner wasn't.

      Bazemore signed with Atlanta I think. The only positive from this signing, is many people on real gm seem to see Stuckey as a point guard. And he was used primarily in Detroit as a point guard. This COULD mean.... Stuckey and Miles are coming off the bench. And Watson will be packaged in a trade with someone else for a REAL Lance replacement or a whole new back court altogether.

      http://www.pistonpowered.com/2011/12...best-position/


      ^This article from 2011 suggests that his best position is point guard. And if that's the case, that means we have four point guards on the roster. Hill, Sloan, Stuckey, Watson.

      Vogel isn't the sharpest tool in the shed, so maybe he believes Stuckey can play the two. But I wonder if this addition means a trade is coming.
      Last edited by Grimp; 07-17-2014, 08:53 AM.

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      • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

        Originally posted by Kstat View Post
        I'm still wrapping my head around the logic that excuses Rodney for the dysfunctional atmosphere that led to him having 6 head coaches in 7 years, when he's the guy that publicly stabbed four of them in the back and created that dysfunctional atmosphere...

        I mean holy hell, he was far from the most damaging on-court presence the Pistons had in this era (Will Bynum award), but off the court the guy was peerless.

        Look, I get it: hope for the best, worst case he can be released. My worry from the other side of this is another Andrew Bynum effect where he eats away at the team from the inside and by the time he's been dealt with, its too late.
        Detroit has been really bad since 2011. If a player is upset about a coach who obviously is over his head and the team is unprepared game in and game out, I don't have a problem with that when he's on a bad team. Guys like Tracey McGrady and Ben Gordan were equally insubordinate (or worse) while with the Pistons. Are the players the reason that the Pistons had 6 coaches in 7 years or should Joe Dumars take the blame? Several coaches and player quit on the Pistons and that points to the front office, IMO.

        I think Stuckey will be a good citizen on a better team with better coaching.

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        • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

          Getting Stuckey at a veteran minimum is a great deal, but it's hard for me to say that a team with CJ Miles + Stuckey is better than the one with Lance, unless Lance truly was a blackhole in chemistry and a stat-padder.

          What I think I'll miss the most about Lance is his energy and bulldog mentality, most of our other guys look like they just woke up from a nap some games.

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          • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

            I'll keep saying to myself that (Miles, Stuckey, Rudez) at least equals (Stephenson, Turner, Bynum) because of the suckiness/irrelevance due to health that was Turner and Bynum.

            That makes my cope. It's how I roll.
            Last edited by Slick Pinkham; 07-17-2014, 09:21 AM.
            The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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            • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

              Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
              I'll keep saying to myself that (Miles, Stuckey, Rudez) at least equals (Stephenson, Turner, Bynum) because of the suckiness that was Turner and Bynum.

              That makes my cope. It's how I roll.

              I feel a trade is coming though. This signing to me looks more and more suspect. Stuckey is a point guard. His shooting is worse than Lance. Especially from 3. If the Lance talks broke down in week 1, like most articles suggest? The front office couldn't have just been sitting around waiting on Lance. I think they were lining up a trade. They talked with Stuckey during that time about maybe being backup point guard? That would mean CJ is going somewhere in a package. It makes sense because CJ for what he brings to the table and his contract has value. CJ and Stuckey's contracts are similar in years too. Both are on 1 year deals now. CJ signed with us for two seasons. He's entering his last season now. Stuckey was signed to a 1 year. Why add a replacement for Lance specifically who is smaller, and not as skilled a shooter as he is? And who isn't starting quality?

              And if Miles was gonna start, then that means that we'd need a two guard replacement off the bench..... again. Something doesn't fit here. Not gonna speculate or get peoples hopes up but I suspect at least 45% right now that they've had something cooking for the last few weeks. I just can't see them waiting on Lance, and then choosing Stuckey as a plan B. Because surely, they would've reached out to another two guard on the market and said don't sign with anyone because if Lance leaves, we wanna sign you. That has happened before with teams. They also had time to retain Turner since the Lance talks broke down so quickly. So I think they put together a trade to replace Lance and maybe get a new PG too. Stuckey, could be CJ's replacement. Their deals are similar, except Stuckey is bigger and more physical at the PG spot than CJ is.

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              • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                I feel a trade is coming though.
                By this you mean you're about to post a real big one?

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                • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                  I think you are on to something Grimp.

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                  • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                    The only reason I think there will be a trade is because Damjan Rudez and Chris Copeland are redundant. They are the same type of player, and there runs the risk that Vogel won't play either one for defensive purposes.

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                    • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                      Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                      By this you mean you're about to post a real big one?
                      No because I don't want to speculate now with proposals while the board is in this state of mourning over how this whole thing played out. But....... I just don't see this as a sensible move. Nothing adds up here. This move would be a desperation move for a team when a player just pulls out of negotiations on the fly and bolts. Ala Elton Brand being a Clipper that one year? Until Philly swooped in at the very last second with a max deal and he bolted for Philadelphia. But if the Lance talks broke down in week 1? They had to be constructing something to replace him long term and be an upgrade. A front office of Bird and Pritchard I don't see just grabbing a Rodney Stuckey and trotting him out as the replacement for a guy like Lance. I could be wrong, but it doesn't add up. A 1 year deal for a physically smaller player, who's been a backup his whole career? And... who doesn't shoot nearly as well as the last guy? I don't buy it.

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                      • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                        Beggars can't be choosers.

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                        • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                          Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                          No because I don't want to speculate now with proposals while the board is in this state of mourning over how this whole thing played out. But....... I just don't see this as a sensible move. Nothing adds up here. This move would be a desperation move for a team when a player just pulls out of negotiations on the fly and bolts. Ala Elton Brand being a Clipper that one year? Until Philly swooped in at the very last second with a max deal and he bolted for Philadelphia. But if the Lance talks broke down in week 1? They had to be constructing something to replace him long term and be an upgrade. A front office of Bird and Pritchard I don't see just grabbing a Rodney Stuckey and trotting him out as the replacement for a guy like Lance. I could be wrong, but it doesn't add up. A 1 year deal for a physically smaller player, who's been a backup his whole career? And... who doesn't shoot nearly as well as the last guy? I don't buy it.
                          We are probably in rebuilding mode. West is a short timer, Hibbert is unreliable, and we need a legitimate PG.

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                          • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                            It is kind of funny that we got Stuckey for the minimum and Orlando paid Ben Gordon $4.5 million.

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                            • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                              Why add a replacement for Lance specifically who is smaller, and not as skilled a shooter as he is? And who isn't starting quality?
                              Because all you have to spend is the minimum salary, that's about what you expect to get on a minimum salary offer, and no readily movable/expendable assets get you a whole lot more.
                              The poster "pacertom" since this forum began (and before!). I changed my name here to "Slick Pinkham" in honor of the imaginary player That Bobby "Slick" Leonard picked late in the 1971 ABA draft (true story!).

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                              • Re: Pacers sign Rodney Stuckey

                                Originally posted by Slick Pinkham View Post
                                That makes my cope.
                                You know what makes me cope? The fact that I don't have to watch Lance mope around on offense and defense for reasons only known to him!

                                That crap is contagious in that your team isn't going to play like a team when one guy is acting like that. I went to every game, this is something that wasn't always noticeable on TV but after All Star break this crap would happen every game. Dude would just stand around mope, pout, hanging his arms and stand around then call for the ball or decide to get in a defensive stance when his man got the ball.

                                Is Lance a good team player? If you answer that honestly there's nothing else to discuss.
                                Last edited by freddielewis14; 07-17-2014, 10:11 AM.

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