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    psst - you're supposed to blame Donnie for Hill and Hibbert.
    Oh please, Birds name might not have been on the paperwork but that was his plan being used. Unless Donnie Walsh seemed capable of completely changing the direction of a team in a week.

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    Even though Lance was erratic, he was still wildly successful for a second rounder, most of which don't ever play significant minutes in the NBA.....much less start for two ECF teams.

    You really think that Bird took the 2010 draft off and said, "Danny, I haven't scouted one bit, who should I draft here?" I don't doubt that Granger's comments about PG helped sway Bird, but Bird wouldn't have drafted him if he wasn't already seriously convinced himself.

    You seriously can't give Bird an ounce of credit for West, who is by far the best free agency signing in Pacer history?
    If Bird had gotten his way we would have had Nene. So yes Bird gets some credit, but perhaps the team would be better off if we more consistently went with his Plan Bs

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    Are we going to be running the five man weave as our offense? Could Vogel mastermind the first offense that does not require a single dribble?

    Miles/Hill spreads the floor nicely but leaves us short a single above-positional-average ball handler. Its the perfect back-court for a ball dominant SF and I'm yet to be convinced about the maturity of the play-making off the bounce part of PG's game.

    The miles/hill backcourt scares the hell out of me.
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    Bird's biggest blunder was drafting Tyler Hansbrough. We were desperate for a PG, and both Ty Lawson and Jeff Teague were there for the taking. Teague has turned out better than expected, but Lawson was very good at UNC
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    Borrowing this list;

    Hibbert/Mahinmi/Whittington
    West/Scola/Allen/Copeland
    George/Rudez/S. Hill
    Miles
    Hill/Watson/Sloan

    Here's what I see:
    I prefer to keep both Hill and Hibbert now that Lance is gone. I would like to see if Stephenson's absence makes a positive difference for them.

    We move Hill to SG, or possibly use him as a thirty-plus minute sixth man combo guard, or some blending of those two options.

    We pursue the best point guard we can find. Watson and Sloan are decent backup point guards, but one or the other is expendable in a trade for a starting PG.

    Scola and Copeland appear to be the other tradeable players especially since Rudez can play a bit of PF (during select matchups) although mostly backing up Paul George at SF.

    Now what PG is out there that we can get with our combination of money, other resources, and personnel?

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    Turner for Granger was not a wash. Granger didn't start fights with Lance.

    No, but he also spent more time in the trainer's office than anybody we would have had outside of Bynum. I'd bet good money that Lance is the one who started the fight. And I don't think this is hard to believe.

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    Win more games with Paul George

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    One SG on the roster, little to no money, no urgency to keep Lance, quiet on the rumor front. My gut tells me we're about to see a big Pacer trade out of nowhere.

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    Oh please, Birds name might not have been on the paperwork but that was his plan being used. Unless Donnie Walsh seemed capable of completely changing the direction of a team in a week.
    Ask plenty of people on here about what they think Donnie is capable of. To some, he could completely change the direction of the team just by being named president
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    One SG on the roster, little to no money, no urgency to keep Lance, quiet on the rumor front. My gut tells me we're about to see a big Pacer trade out of nowhere.
    Hopefully it's better than the horrible one last year. Whatever happens, I'll be skeptical after the disastrous Scola deal.

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    Ask plenty of people on here about what they think Donnie is capable of. To some, he could completely change the direction of the team just by being named president
    Don't get me wrong I fault him for some of the moves that offseason. But Hibbert and Hill were both Birds guys, those contracts have his fingerprints all over them

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    It has to be a trade in the backcourt. I don't see how you can start next year with George Hill and CJ Miles as your starting backcourt and call yourself a contending team.

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    No, but he also spent more time in the trainer's office than anybody we would have had outside of Bynum. I'd bet good money that Lance is the one who started the fight. And I don't think this is hard to believe.
    Who cares Granger in trainers still contributed more that ET, and Lance didn't fight with him

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    It has to be a trade in the backcourt. I don't see how you can start next year with George Hill and CJ Miles as your starting backcourt and call yourself a contending team.
    No matter what we do next year we aren't going to be a contending team.

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    Ask plenty of people on here about what they think Donnie is capable of. To some, he could completely change the direction of the team just by being named president
    Some of my favorite sarcasm of yours is when you said that some of us wouldn't be happy until Walsh was left on an ice floe or burned at the stake.

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    Best case: we somehow acquire a better PG like Dragic, and move Hill to SG. Basically we can say we traded Lance for Dragic. Worst case: we do nothing and replace Lance with CJ miles in the lineup
    OK, but for the best case, how do you get Dragic for literallly nothing? You can't. So that leaves the worst case.

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    Someone was already proposing JR Smith
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    Who cares Granger in trainers still contributed more that ET, and Lance didn't fight with him
    Agree to disagree.

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    I just wonder what the excuse will be this time if Roy disappears for a long stretch? That his time with Lance was so traumatic that it will take a couple of years for him to fully recover?
    Don't give them any ideas...

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    Who cares Granger in trainers still contributed more that ET, and Lance didn't fight with him
    There were plenty of stories a couple years ago about Granger and Lance getting into a locker room argument.

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    No matter what we do next year we aren't going to be a contending team.
    Seems pretty pessimistic, especially with the East wide open now.

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    Seems pretty pessimistic, especially with the East wide open now.
    Ok even if the East is wide open. I don't think it is, There are probably 8 or 9 Western teams better than us

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    Seems pretty pessimistic, especially with the East wide open now.
    We are starting CJ Miles and have one of the worst benches in the league. We have no chance to contend. You are setting yourself up for big disappointment.

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    I wish the Pacers could somehow get Erick Green from Denver.

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    The best thing is to move Hill at the "2" and find a capable point guard. Bad news is it will probably won't happen. *sigh*
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