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    Good luck to Lance and IMO we're going to feel his loss pretty bad, but there's another thread for that.

    Question is, what do we do now? We have exactly 1 SG on the roster.

    Quick recap of our current state: We've used up our MLE and we're not eligible for BAE this year. We're about $4m under the tax. Our assets include a $4.2m trade exception (Granger deal), a $1.1m trade exception (Plumlee trade), Evan Turner's Bird rights, and all our future picks.

    Our roster looks like this at the moment:

    Hibbert/Mahinmi/Whittington
    West/Scola/Allen/Copeland
    George/Rudez/S. Hill
    Miles
    Hill/Watson/Sloan

    What do you think we should do next? What CAN we do next?

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    Probably Rodney Stuckey.

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    To me the only option is to get a jammer Nelson type and move Hill over as the combo.

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    Best case: we somehow acquire a better PG like Dragic, and move Hill to SG. Basically we can say we traded Lance for Dragic. Worst case: we do nothing and replace Lance with CJ miles in the lineup
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    Probably Rodney Stuckey.
    With no exceptions, we can only get him with the minimum. Or an S&T I guess.

    Someone was already proposing JR Smith for Scola's partially guaranteed deal. Kind of yuck but I suspect that's the sort of quality of move we have left.

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    Probably Rodney Stuckey.
    A question about the process. Rodney Stuckey has been renounced by Detroit, wasn't he? Does that mean the only way the Pacers could sign him is with cap space or the MLE or BAE exception, neither of which they have. Or could the Pacers use the trade exception in a S&T from Detroit? I think they could S&T Stuckey [or a someone else] even though he is renounced, but I am not sure.

    Bottom line, I think the only way to sign anyone is through the TPE or Vet's min.

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    Larry has stated that he would like to upgrade at PG, now is his chance. I think he will make a deal to bring in a starting PG and move GHill to SG.

    Our second option would be to bring in a SG. OJ Mayo has been mentioned in the past, although I am not too fond of that move.

    It's going to be interesting.

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    Move Hill to SG and start Watson

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    Most likely signing a training camp wing (or bringing Orlando back?) and rolling with CJ in the starting lineup.

    The Pacers won't trade Scola for a wing. If they were willing to sacrifice Scola to do that, they would've just waived him and gave Lance a little more.

    Of course the Pacers could also pursue some lineup-shattering move that comes out of nowhere, but I don't know what that could be.
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    Good luck to Lance and IMO we're going to feel his loss pretty bad, but there's another thread for that.

    Question is, what do we do now? We have exactly 1 SG on the roster.

    Quick recap of our current state: We've used up our MLE and we're not eligible for BAE this year. We're about $4m under the tax. Our assets include a $4.2m trade exception (Granger deal), a $1.1m trade exception (Plumlee trade), Evan Turner's Bird rights, and all our future picks.

    Our roster looks like this at the moment:

    Hibbert/Mahinmi/Whittington
    West/Scola/Allen/Copeland
    George/Rudez/S. Hill
    Miles
    Hill/Watson/Sloan

    What do you think we should do next? What CAN we do next?
    I thought we renounced Turner?

    Either way, I think we're basically done. No real assets to work with. Our chips were all on the table with Lance. We'll see a lot more George Hill and CJ Watson together and hopefully Solomon Hill got much better. CJ Miles is going to play 30+ minutes per night.
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    Either we will make a trade that will make us worse or we sign some scrub.

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    JR Smith, please no.
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    No!!
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    JR Smith, please no.
    No!
    No!!
    No!!!
    I would lol to all the Lance haters here if we did sign JR.

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    I thought we renounced Turner?
    My understanding is that we didn't give Turner a QO (thus, no RFA status for him) but there was no reason to renounce Turner's Bird rights, as we're not under the cap anyway.

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    We play with one less "selfish dude".

    I'm fine with the CJ/Hill pairing if we could pick up a backup PG better than Donald Sloan.
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    Am I the only one who just really doesn't trust that any move Bird makes is the right one? Not saying he sucks, it's all his fault, etc etc. But let's face it -- his track record is spotty, and inflated by a few draft picks basically.

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    Aside from a tiny tinkering here or there, we're going to be rolling with the team we have. I guess we need to pray that Lance really was as toxic as some make him out to be, which hopefully means that Hibbert and Hill will have much better seasons. I just wonder what the excuse will be this time if Roy disappears for a long stretch? That his time with Lance was so traumatic that it will take a couple of years for him to fully recover?

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    Am I the only one who just really doesn't trust that any move Bird makes is the right one? Not saying he sucks, it's all his fault, etc etc. But let's face it -- his track record is spotty, and inflated by a few draft picks basically.
    He had a great run of good moves but that run seems to have ended and he has gone back to his earlier bad choices types of moves. I do see the value in addition by subtraction, Lance was an issue with teammates from what we can see, maybe letting him go is better for the team. But talent wise we just got poorer and right when the Heat self destructed leaving the pacers as the favorites (at least until this morning) to come out of the east.

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    Am I the only one who just really doesn't trust that any move Bird makes is the right one? Not saying he sucks, it's all his fault, etc etc. But let's face it -- his track record is spotty, and inflated by a few draft picks basically.
    Hindsight is 20:20. Scola trade was great until Scola got old really quickly. Turner for Granger was a wash. CJ Watson has been great, but the other free agent signings were underwhelming at best.

    It all depends on who is on the table.

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    Am I the only one who just really doesn't trust that any move Bird makes is the right one? Not saying he sucks, it's all his fault, etc etc. But let's face it -- his track record is spotty, and inflated by a few draft picks basically.
    Been saying this for awhile

    Hill - Overpaid
    Lance - Never developed consistency and we lost in FA
    George - Granger had to tell him to draft him
    West - We only got because Nene said no
    Hibbert - Overpaid beyond belief


    On topic I am content to roll with the team we have.

    I think our offense will work better without Lance tbh

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    He had a great run of good moves but that run seems to have ended and he has gone back to his earlier bad choices types of moves. I do see the value in addition by subtraction, Lance was an issue with teammates from what we can see, maybe letting him go is better for the team. But talent wise we just got poorer and right when the Heat self destructed leaving the pacers as the favorites (at least until this morning) to come out of the east.
    I thought Cleveland was the favorite.
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    Hindsight is 20:20. Scola trade was great until Scola got old really quickly. Turner for Granger was a wash. CJ Watson has been great, but the other free agent signings were underwhelming at best.

    It all depends on who is on the table.
    Turner for Granger was not a wash. Granger didn't start fights with Lance.

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    Been saying this for awhile

    Hill - Overpaid
    Lance - Never developed consistency and we lost in FA
    George - Granger had to tell him to draft him
    West - We only got because Nene said no
    Hibbert - Overpaid beyond belief


    On topic I am content to roll with the team we have.

    I think our offense will work better without Lance tbh
    psst - you're supposed to blame Donnie for Hill and Hibbert.
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    He had a great run of good moves but that run seems to have ended and he has gone back to his earlier bad choices types of moves. I do see the value in addition by subtraction, Lance was an issue with teammates from what we can see, maybe letting him go is better for the team. But talent wise we just got poorer and right when the Heat self destructed leaving the pacers as the favorites (at least until this morning) to come out of the east.
    Well that's what happens when you pretty much run out of flexibility. Bird's great moves were the building up of the Hibbert/West/PG/Hill core that succeeded with both Granger and Lance. We invested heavily in those four players, which ties our hands significantly and limits the good/great moves that could potentially make.

    The Scola trade backfired a bit because Plumlee exploded and the pick would have been nice to have. Green was never going to be good here though.

    Granger was a shell of himself and was also awful in Los Angeles. I don't fault Bird for thinking that a 17 PPG Turner could give us something off of the bench. Granger's presence would have probably been nice to have in the locker room though.

    Those are really the only two recent moves that you can really criticize Bird for.

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    Been saying this for awhile

    Hill - Overpaid
    Lance - Never developed consistency and we lost in FA
    George - Granger had to tell him to draft him
    West - We only got because Nene said no
    Hibbert - Overpaid beyond belief
    Even though Lance was erratic, he was still wildly successful for a second rounder, most of which don't ever play significant minutes in the NBA.....much less start for two ECF teams.

    You really think that Bird took the 2010 draft off and said, "Danny, I haven't scouted one bit, who should I draft here?" I don't doubt that Granger's comments about PG helped sway Bird, but Bird wouldn't have drafted him if he wasn't already seriously convinced himself.

    You seriously can't give Bird an ounce of credit for West, who is by far the best free agency signing in Pacer history?

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