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Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

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  • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

    CJ Miles definitely seems like a pro's pro. I don't know exactly what his job is going to be yet, but I have no doubt he will attempt to do it to the best of his ability. Which I think as a 5th starter might actually be what this team needs. Sometimes Lance tried to do much more than this team needed him to do.


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    • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

      BTW not that anyone cares but the Pacers are getting roasted on NBA radio right now by the hosts. Some are saying 6th seed is as high as we can hope to go.

      I think that's a little dramatic but I certainly think it's a hit.


      Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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      • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

        Originally posted by docpaul View Post
        I'm sorry that Lance is no longer part of our team. I'll enjoy trying to keep up with his career, b/c I think he has the chance to truly be special.

        From my vantage point, when someone really wants something, they find all kinds of ways to be flexible and accomodate circumstances to get what they want.

        The specifics on what happened over the past 24 hours suggest that we didn't "really want" Lance to stay on this team. There's too much conflicting information to suggest otherwise.

        Unclebuck and I talked about this a few days ago: what this suggests to me is that the team wants to stay within their current identity. They weren't willing to take risks to evolve their identity to feature Lance more prominently as the Robin to Paul George.

        If they could get Lance for 5 years to commit to the core in the same way they did with Paul George, then we would have likely committed to a different identity. The challenge of course is that they had to try to fit this identity "course correction" into a time period where there was poor cap financial liquidity and relatively meager market value for other players that would need to be moved to accomodate for Lance.

        They had to either go one way, or the other... and they didn't want to continue in a two year purgatory (where they would move other contracts out, and hope/pray that Lance would re-sign with us for the next phase of the team). I get it.

        I'm not sure whether this was the right move for this team. But I am sure that Larry and the front office have much greater visibility into all of the details much better than my armchair a**. So I'll trust in their judgment, and hope that CJ Miles is the antidote for GHill's and Hibbert's blues.
        I think Bird and company properly nailed Lance's market value and thought their 5 year offer would sew him up ultimately compared to a similar annual $$ but shorter contract that other teams would offer. I think they misjudged he was serious about thinking he's on an ascension and will have a considerably higher market value in a couple of years and so wanted a shorter contract now. That is a heck of a gamble for the agent to make as well because most agents will look at the Bird in the hand versus two in the bush scenario (pardon the pun but I couldn't resist!! ) and not want to gamble their own cut of the pie on a mercurial athlete that might never reach those projected heights.

        I think if the Pacers didn't want Lance back then they would not have made a movie for him and his family nor would they have offered him 5 years in the first place. Let alone at market value.

        They wanted their cake and to eat it too. They wanted Lance at market value now, and have him locked up for the next 5 years at what could arguably be a bargain in the near future versus needing to hit the piggy bank again in a couple of years. And they thought the guarantee of extra years would be too much money to turn down or risk once all the cards were on the table and the agent had time to give his advice.

        They called Lance's bluff... except he wasn't bluffing and moved on.

        IMHO....
        Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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        "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

        -John Wooden

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        • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          BTW not that anyone cares but the Pacers are getting roasted on NBA radio right now by the hosts. Some are saying 6th seed is as high as we can hope to go.

          I think that's a little dramatic but I certainly think it's a hit.
          If Lance Stephenson is worth 5 playoff spots why is Charlotte only paying him a guaranteed $18 million and why was he their plan C.


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          • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

            Originally posted by Peck View Post
            BTW not that anyone cares but the Pacers are getting roasted on NBA radio right now by the hosts. Some are saying 6th seed is as high as we can hope to go.

            I think that's a little dramatic but I certainly think it's a hit.
            Something as a non radio host with others that agree with.

            Still trying to figure out how folks believe we'll be in the top four? I have my doubts we're better than the Wizards and Hawks of the world.
            You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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            • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

              Originally posted by RWB View Post
              Something as a non radio host with others that agree with.

              Still trying to figure out how folks believe we'll be in the top four? I have my doubts we're better than the Wizards and Hawks of the world.
              So Lance Stephenson to you is worth 11-15 wins?

              Are you going out to place some bets on the Hornets finishing with 54-58 wins next year then?


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              • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                Originally posted by Rogco View Post

                better weather and scenery?

                If you like hotter weather, I don't. I looked to move to Charlotte and drove down to look at it. Wasn't impressed, then drove over Charleston... I've always loved that city!! If I was going to live in NC, it would be SW of Ashville in the mountains towards TN.

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                • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                  Originally posted by Peck View Post
                  BTW not that anyone cares but the Pacers are getting roasted on NBA radio right now by the hosts. Some are saying 6th seed is as high as we can hope to go.

                  I think that's a little dramatic but I certainly think it's a hit.
                  Probably where they thought the Pacers would be before last season. It's what the guys at NBA.com and ESPN thought, so.....what's new?
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                    Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                    If Lance Stephenson is worth 5 playoff spots why is Charlotte only paying him a guaranteed $18 million and why was he their plan C.
                    Pretty much every team got better too. It's not just Lance. We didn't get LeBron or Deng or Gasol or Pierce or maybe a healthy Derrick Rose.

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                    • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                      Team unity will be restored next year. Wait and see. A few less losses possibly is worth it to me and we will still be in the mix in the "in flux" Eastern Conference.

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                      • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                        So much for the whole "Why wouldn't the Pacers even consider a 2 year deal???" sentiment.

                        Stephenson thinks he’s worth more than that and sought a two- or three-year deal. The Pacers agreed to discuss it but sources familiar with those negotiations said the Pacers weren’t willing to pay him as much per year for a shorter deal.
                        http://www.ibj.com/the-score-2014-07...AMS/post/48612
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                          Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                          If he REALLY wanted to be here why didn't he give us the opportunity to at least match Charlotte's offer?
                          I don't think my point is getting across very well. It's more complicated then that, IMO.

                          Try to put yourself in Lance's shoes: you see yourself as one of the best players in the NBA in the future. You understand you have a ways to go, so are willing to sacrifice salary in the short run, but want an opportunity to revisit salary in the same way that others do.

                          Then put yourself in Larry's shoes: you see Lance as a special but volatile player, and one whose playing style is not compatible with the team's current identity. You know that Paul is the cornerstone, and you can see ways in which a new identity around Paul and Lance could be built. But you're stacked with players who are currently undervalued, with no cap liquidity, and then the player that you need to evolve around has the option in 2 years to hit free agency again with no assurances that who you're building around will even be there once you've made the conversion.

                          It was an impasse brought on more because of the circumstances than because of ill will. Why should Lance have to sacrifice that flexibility? Why should Larry have to take that level of risk? They each tried to mitigate their circumstances with different approaches, but they weren't compatible with each other.

                          If anything, I think Lance has a lot of regret, because some of the current dynamics could have been mitigated if he was more reliable and less volatile of a personality. But for a 23 year old with his life experience, I think that's borderline unfair to him.

                          If I were you, I'd depersonalize the circumstance and think about the facts behind what actually was happening. Just my $0.02.
                          Last edited by docpaul; 07-16-2014, 03:47 PM.

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                          • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                            As long as they get a top 4 seed, and it is all about the playoffs for me.

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                            • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                              Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                              Pretty much every team got better too. It's not just Lance. We didn't get LeBron or Deng or Gasol or Pierce or maybe a healthy Derrick Rose.
                              So I take it you have never heard of addition by subtraction huh?

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                              • Re: Lance Stephenson to sign with Charlotte- 3 years $27 million

                                Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                                Pretty much every team got better too. It's not just Lance. We didn't get LeBron or Deng or Gasol or Pierce or maybe a healthy Derrick Rose.
                                Thank you!!!! The Pacers are not in a vacuum here where no one else gets to make any moves.
                                You know how hippos are made out to be sweet and silly, like big cows, but are actually extremely dangerous and can kill you with stunning brutality? The Pacers are the NBA's hippos....Matt Moore CBS Sports....

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