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    You're making some very good points but the fact remains that Hibbert's and Hill's highest Usage Rates were in November when the team was playing awesome (13-1).



    It's interesting to see his FG% splits as well.

    He shot 45.5% in October, 45.3% in November, 51.7% in December, 41.9% in January, 46.3% in February, 42.2% in March and 23.5% in April.

    October, November, December and February were all above his percentages in 12-13 but January, March and especially April were soo bad that brought his percentages down.

    A similar thing happened in 12-13 as well.

    He shot 46.2% in October, 37.8% in November, 40.7% in December, 45.9% in January, 44% in February, 47.9% in March and 57.3% in April.

    As you can see, he once again had some horrible months (November and December) and some great ones (March and April). The only difference is that the timing of his good and bad months were the exact opposite.
    He's had some highs and he's had some lows. That's usually how averages work. Ultimately, he has had two straight years of pretty low season FG% averages when all was said and done. There's no doubt that he can be really good when he's on. But he can also look downright dreadful when he's off. At the end of the day, he's probably always going to be a guy whose ceiling is in the 11-12 ppg range. Not terrible by any means, but not good enough to demand touches when he's not doing much with the touches that he's getting.

    I'm not directing this next point at you Nuntuis, but am instead just making a general point: as someone who is a huge Lance fan that is sad to see him go, the one silver lining is that there won't be the Lance excuse if Hibbett falters next year. I'm so glad that Hibbert and Hill will be held more accountable next year.

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    That is pretty nice work. I'll just comment that any combo with Granger might be a little suspect because of small sample size.
    Most of the units aren't great sample size. He played 230 minutes with Roy and 240 minutes with Lance.
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    That is pretty nice work. I'll just comment that any combo with Granger might be a little suspect because of small sample size.
    And everything is suspect until it matches up with game footage. I find it fun to try to form an opinion with one and then verify it with the other.
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    I noticed something, The months Hibbert had an acceptable FG% were also the months Hill had a usage% above 14%. Suggests that there is something about what Hill does when used opens some things up for Hibbert that isn't there otherwise. Could also just be purely coincidental. Need more research on this.

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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

    http://terezowens.com/lance-stephens...in-strip-club/


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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

    http://terezowens.com/lance-stephens...in-strip-club/
    Sigh! I know he's young and all that .....blah...blah.....but if I were a GM, I would almost want to write into the contract that strip clubs are off limits. High profile athletes out that late mixed with the element that frequents these types of establishments is not a good combination as Pacer fans know all too well.

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    Sigh! I know he's young and all that .....blah...blah.....but if I were a GM, I would almost want to write into the contract that strip clubs are off limits. High profile athletes out that late mixed with the element that frequents these types of establishments is not a good combination as Pacer fans know all too well.
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    He's had some highs and he's had some lows. That's usually how averages work. Ultimately, he has had two straight years of pretty low season FG% averages when all was said and done. There's no doubt that he can be really good when he's on. But he can also look downright dreadful when he's off.
    There is no denying that Hibbert is extremely inconsistent. That much is absolutely true.

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    At the end of the day, he's probably always going to be a guy whose ceiling is in the 11-12 ppg range. Not terrible by any means, but not good enough to demand touches when he's not doing much with the touches that he's getting.
    Hibbert shouldn't get touches because "he demands them". He should get touches because every time that the ball goes a lot to him and David our teams performs a lot better compared to the times they don't get the ball and the wings run the show.

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    I'm not directing this next point at you Nuntuis, but am instead just making a general point: as someone who is a huge Lance fan that is sad to see him go, the one silver lining is that there won't be the Lance excuse if Hibbett falters next year. I'm so glad that Hibbert and Hill will be held more accountable next year.
    I don't understand what is that "Lance excuse" that you're talking about. Hibbert and Hill have always been the two players that are blamed the most in this forum.
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    There is no denying that Hibbert is extremely inconsistent. That much is absolutely true.



    Hibbert shouldn't get touches because "he demands them". He should get touches because every time that the ball goes a lot to him and David our teams performs a lot better compared to the times they don't get the ball and the wings run the show.



    I don't understand what is that "Lance excuse" that you're talking about. Hibbert and Hill have always been the two players that are blamed the most in this forum.
    I think he means held more accountable by Vogel, not by forum members.

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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

    http://terezowens.com/lance-stephens...in-strip-club/
    Whoop-de-****ing-doo. Its not like he's getting into fights with guys named "Fingers" or anything....
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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

    http://terezowens.com/lance-stephens...in-strip-club/
    LOL the only thing surprising about this is that one of these stories didn't break sooner.

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    Man I wish I could make it rain in a strip club.

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    I think he means held more accountable by Vogel, not by forum members.
    Both of them were held more accountable by Vogel than the rest of the starting 5 as well.
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    As you can see, he once again had some horrible months (November and December) and some great ones (March and April). The only difference is that the timing of his good and bad months were the exact opposite.
    Roy's never had great shooting months
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    Lance seems to be enjoying his new money:

    http://terezowens.com/lance-stephens...in-strip-club/
    Dat hat tho

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    Roy's never had great shooting months
    Listen, Roy is a great shooter, he is just not the type to pad his FG% stats, like stupid selfish Lance

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    Roy's never had great shooting months
    Not true. 51.7% is a great percentage for a back to the basket big. If Roy was able to shoot like that consistently then no one would have any right to complain about his offense. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
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    Not true. 51.7% is a great percentage for a back to the basket big. If Roy was able to shoot like that consistently then no one would have any right to complain about his offense. Unfortunately, this is not the case.
    No it's not, It's decent, but not nearly great. Not sure who you want to compare Roy too, but here are some other centers in the league's season shooting percentage:
    Deandre Jordan .676
    andre drummond .623
    Tyson Chandler .593
    Dwight Howard .591
    Robin Lopez .551
    Jonas Valanciunas .531
    Timofey Mozgov .523

    etc... Essentially Hibbert's best month is worse than the yearly average of even the most average of centers in the league.
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    No it's not, It's decent, but not nearly great. Not sure who you want to compare Roy too, but here are some other centers in the league's season shooting percentage:
    Deandre Jordan .676
    andre drummond .623
    Tyson Chandler .593
    Dwight Howard .591
    Robin Lopez .551
    Jonas Valanciunas .531
    Timofey Mozgov .523

    etc... Essentially Hibbert's best month is worse than the yearly average of even the most average of centers in the league.
    Just about all of those guys only shoot if they are dunking the ball (minus Valanciunas and Howard). Comparing Roy's fg% to theirs is silly.

    With that being said, does Roy need to be more efficient? Absolutely. Comparing him to guys that just dunk the ball though does not prove that point.

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    Just about all of those guys only shoot if they are dunking the ball (minus Valanciunas and Howard). Comparing Roy's fg% to theirs is silly.

    With that being said, does Roy need to be more efficient? Absolutely. Comparing him to guys that just dunk the ball though does not prove that point.
    So who should we be comparing him to? Pick some players and we'll check out their shooting. I also think it's reflective on Roy's struggles to establish decent position in the paint and/or pass out when he receives the ball and doesn't have good position.
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    So who should we be comparing him to? Pick some players and we'll check out their shooting. I also think it's reflective on Roy's struggles to establish decent position in the paint and/or pass out when he receives the ball and doesn't have good position.
    Why do we need to compare him to anyone? I mean is watching him play not enough to know he struggled lately?

    And Roy does not have a low center of gravity. He will never be a guy to consistently gain good post position. Roy is what he is at this stage of his career.

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    No it's not, It's decent, but not nearly great. Not sure who you want to compare Roy too, but here are some other centers in the league's season shooting percentage:
    Deandre Jordan .676
    andre drummond .623
    Tyson Chandler .593
    Dwight Howard .591
    Robin Lopez .551
    Jonas Valanciunas .531
    Timofey Mozgov .523

    etc... Essentially Hibbert's best month is worse than the yearly average of even the most average of centers in the league.
    Use true shooting percentage and see where Roy stacks up against those guys. Part of the reason Jordan and Drummond shoot such a high fg% is because they either dunk the ball or get fouled and shoot about 45% from the charity stripe.

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    Use true shooting percentage and see where Roy stacks up against those guys. Part of the reason Jordan and Drummond shoot such a high fg% is because they either dunk the ball or get fouled and shoot about 45% from the charity stripe.
    TS% among the 59 qualifying centers in the NBA:

    1. DeAndre Jordan
    2. Brook Lopez
    3. Tyson Chandler
    6. Robin Lopez
    9. Dwight Howard
    10. Andre Drummond
    19. Jonas Valanciunas
    50. Roy Hibbert

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