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    that has nothing to do with anything
    It does cause someone posted his stupid tweet like it meant something.
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    he's more comfortable with being a roleplayer/5th option on offense than Lance would ever be here.
    Not just Lance, but George Hill too. This should make Hill more of a focus offensively, which will take advantage of his skills better than what his role was last season.

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    Dakich is a blowhard who doesn't know a thing.

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    Now that the team is less-talented, I'm just wondering what's going to happen when PG can't keep it in his pants (or wrap it up), and Hibbert's head implodes, and West doesn't care, and Scola is injured, and Vogel won't play the bench players, and Hill is still dribbling at the top of the key... There's a potential for this upcoming season to be a bit scary.
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    With this almost confirmation that Lance was a problem last year. I am getting more optimistic about this team next year. As long as Watson stops passing up the open 3 for the contested 2 I could tolerate him as our starter.

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    Alright, it's done. Time to move on and stop dwelling on the past or what could have been done differently. Is not gonna change anything, although there will probably be 40 pages of it. Time to support who we have, trust our management, and see what's next for our team.

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    Now that the team is less-talented, I'm just wondering what's going to happen when PG can't keep it in his pants (or wrap it up), and Hibbert's head implodes, and West doesn't care, and Scola is injured, and Vogel won't play the bench players, and Hill is still dribbling at the top of the key... There's a potential for this upcoming season to be a bit scary.
    We get a better draft pick.

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    With this almost confirmation that Lance was a problem last year. I am getting more optimistic about this team next year. As long as Watson stops passing up the open 3 for the contested 2 I could tolerate him as our starter.
    I think this confirms that other people were the problem and Lance didn't want to play with them. I am now less optimistic.
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    We get a better draft pick.
    Thanks, that actually did make me feel a bit better!
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    Devastating loss. Lance was so much fun to root for. His growth as a player and a person over the years was amazing. So much potential still to realize. Sad.

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    The only offer they gave him was exactly what he didn't want. That tells you they didn't want him back. And when a guy is that talented and a team doesn't want him back. It says hes a problem.
    Uh, no......I think if you don't want someone.......you don't offer them anything, let alone more money for a longer period of time.

    What if Lance accepted it?

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    cause the front office knew he wouldn't take it
    I really doubt that, you know what he definitely won't take?

    An offer of $0.00
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    Then why did we offer him more money over more years?
    This is the wrong way to look at NBA contracts. We offered the same amount as Charlotte, and less in the short term. We just offered more of it. You really should be looking at average not total. Total is meaningless. It is all about the ratio between per year salary and amount of years.

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    Now that the team is less-talented, I'm just wondering what's going to happen when PG can't keep it in his pants (or wrap it up), and Hibbert's head implodes, and West doesn't care, and Scola is injured, and Vogel won't play the bench players, and Hill is still dribbling at the top of the key... There's a potential for this upcoming season to be a bit scary.
    Holy pessimism. Particularly the Scola injury thing has me scratching my head since the guy has played all but 8 games in his 7 year NBA career.

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    Uh, no......I think if you don't want someone.......you don't offer them anything, let alone more money for a longer period of time.

    What if Lance accepted it?
    Not offering somebody a contract would have been a clear cut sign he was a problem player. It would have scared other teams off. And why would he have accepted it. Bird knew other teams were going to give him what he wanted.

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    We get a better draft pick.
    We'll probably trade it for J.R. Smith

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    Holy pessimism. Particularly the Scola injury thing has me scratching my head since the guy has played all but 8 games in his 7 year NBA career.
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    Yeah.. I'm starting to believe here that Bird didn't have a great desire to have Lance back. There is no way he didn't know that Lance wanted a short term year deal. No way. There were preliminary talks with his agent, no? Yet he offered Lance's side TWO deals but both of them long term. Basically, "we offer you 2 deals to choose but with no alternative to what you want". Why would he do that? Cause he knew Lance wouldn't accept.
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    Not offering somebody a contract would have been a clear cut sign he was a problem player. It would have scared other teams off. And why would he have accepted it. Bird knew other teams were going to give him what he wanted.
    I don't think you're making a whole lot of sense.

    If Lance was a problem, you don't offer him anything. You let him walk. You don't have to disguise your intentions, you don't have to be coy.

    Larry thought Lance would be enticed by the extra 17 million in the total deal, and was wrong.
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    There ya go




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    I don't think you're making a whole lot of sense.

    If Lance was a problem, you don't offer him anything. You let him walk. You don't have to disguise your intentions, you don't have to be coy.

    Larry thought Lance would be enticed by the extra 17 million in the total deal, and was wrong.
    You really aren't thinking this through

    LANCE WANTED A SHORT TERM DEAL.

    We wouldn't even work with him on that. Its not rocket science. A player says they want something and you won't even negotiate about it. It sorta screams you aren't really trying.

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    Immature Lance at 9M is too much. Mature Lance at 9M is a bargain. So you try to split the difference over years, with the hope that he'll mature. Thinking Larry's offer wasn't a serious offer, and that he didn't want Lance back is just.......
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    This is the wrong way to look at NBA contracts. We offered the same amount as Charlotte, and less in the short term. We just offered more of it. You really should be looking at average not total. Total is meaningless. It is all about the ratio between per year salary and amount of years.
    I realize that.

    You've said you feel Lance is a chemistry issue. So if you were gonna resign him, what is a better deal to you? 5 years 44 million or 3 years 27 million?

    If you give him 5 years 44 he is much tougher to trade due to the length of the contract.

    If you give him 3 years 27 million he is only making an extra 1.4 million this year, which is not enough to let a starter walk.

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    You really aren't thinking this through

    LANCE WANTED A SHORT TERM DEAL.

    We wouldn't even work with him on that. Its not rocket science. A player says they want something and you won't even negotiate about it. It sorta screams you aren't really trying.
    Uh, I got nothing, lol
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    You really aren't thinking this through

    LANCE WANTED A SHORT TERM DEAL.

    We wouldn't even work with him on that. Its not rocket science. A player says they want something and you won't even negotiate about it. It sorta screams you aren't really trying.
    Didn't the pacers offer have a player option after two years?
    Why so SERIOUS

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