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    I wish I never would have read this......

    The Indiana Pacers could sign a familiar face by Tuesday, one who addresses their need for an inside presence.

    Dale Davis, who played the first nine seasons of his NBA career for the Pacers, became a free agent Saturday after obtaining his release from New Orleans and plans to sign with a team in contention for a playoff spot.

    Davis' agent, James Wells, said Saturday night the Pacers are Davis' first preference, although Detroit and San Antonio also are trying to lure the 14-year veteran.

    "He's really fond of Indiana," said Wells, who acknowledged the Pacers' mutual interest. "It's a class organization and he had a good run when he was there.

    "We just need to sit down and make a decision."

    Davis, who turns 36 on March 25, must sign with another team by Tuesday to be eligible for the playoffs.

    He was traded from Golden State to New Orleans on Thursday in the deal that sent Hornets guard Baron Davis to the Warriors.

    Davis was a foundation of the Pacers' front line for nearly a decade as a starting power forward. He averaged 9.4 points and 9.0 rebounds over nine seasons and brought a physical presence often lacking from this season's team, which ranks last in the NBA in rebounding.

    He was an Eastern Conference All-Star in 2000, when he helped the Pacers reach the NBA Finals. He was traded to Portland for Jermaine O'Neal the following summer, then was traded to Golden State last summer.

    Davis was paid $10.1 million this season but likely would sign for the veteran's minimum after his buyout from the Hornets.

    Wells said Davis' former teammate in Portland, Rasheed Wallace, is trying to convince him to sign with the Pistons. The Spurs want to add him to their front line after trading Malik Rose to New York last week.


    http://www.indystar.com/articles/6/225536-1616-179.html


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    Throughout all of the posts of "how about Dale Davis" or "It would be nice for Dale to be back" I've pretty much stayed out of it. As I said in a couple of those threads I think the Dale Davis leads us to a title train pulled out a couple of years ago. Also, to be honest, I never really knew if Donnie would ever forgive Dale for what he did to him all those years ago.

    I've seen other article's in the star that got my hopes up in the past as well. One in particular was when Isiah talked about how great it would have been to have Dale along side Jermaine.

    So I've learned not to get my hopes up.

    I haven't seen Dale Davis play one min. this season & as suprising as this may be to some of you I haven't seen but a few Dale Davis games since he left our team with only a couple not being against the Pacers. So to be honest with you I have no idea if he would be any better than Scot Pollard or not.

    Look, it's no seceret, I pretty much was president of the Dale Davis fan club. I was the only person who was back on the star b!tching about the trade even after Jermaine started playing well here. In fact I lost all credibility when it came to Dale vs. Jermaine because I just had to admit that I thought Dale Davis was a great player & we lost our team when he was traded. Obviously I was wrong about the trade itself but I will go to my death saying that we lost our best title shot that next season when Dale was traded (don't bother arguing with me over that because it's just an opinion & I'm entitled to mine even if you think it's wrong).

    I digress.

    Having babled on about all of the above I don't know how I feel. When I flipped up the star & saw that headline I won't lie to you, my heart started racing. From the sentimental part of me I will not even try lying, I want Dale home. I don't care if he can't play anymore or not I want him to retire a Pacer. Nothing would make me any happier than having Reggie hit his last shot coming around a Dale Davis pick.

    But then I have to ask some real hard honest questions.

    Where will Dale be in the lineup? Like Kstat has already pointed out, we have a lot of centers & P.F.'s right now & up in Detroit I would have to think that right after McDyse, Dale would be the next big man in off of the bench.

    In Indiana where does he fit? Obviously my thought would be to start him but I know that ain't gonna happen. So then where does that put him? Does he play above Scot Pollard? Does he take all of Croshere's minutes? Do we really want him to take David Harrisons min? I just don't know the answer to any of these.

    Look I'm sure Dale is still tough as nails & he could teach every player on our team how to be a man, but is he really going to be happy just sitting & doing that but getting DNP-CD's? I know that Rasheed & Dale are close. I know that at one time Reggie & Dale were close, but not best friends.

    In other words right now I'm a mess mentally on this issue.

    I want Dale as a Pacer. But I just don't know if it will happen. I'm not even sure the Pacers will do this.

    I just wish the star hadn't put it in the paper because I could ignore almost every other site as a rumor, but the star (espcially ) doesn't usually report rumors.

    I will say this though, it's probably best for everybodys sanity if Dale doesn't sign here. If you think I gripe about Foster now, just wait till I have to see him on the floor instead of Dale

    However I won't deny this part of it, if we do sign Dale don't be suprised if I don't start a thread about how we will now win a title (it's not like I'm unbiased or anything )

    BTW, I will be doing this if it happens.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: I wish I never would have read this......

    You bring up some very good points about how Dale fits into this team. When the first reports came out about Dale could sign with the P's, I took a quick look at the roster. First someone will have to be cut . Both of those players are currently resting on IL, so who of the active roster will take a seat on the IL?

    Here would be the logical players:

    Harrison
    Pollard
    J.Jones

    The only problem there is would Double D give us as much as Pollard does? Pollard is injury prone, but is having a nice run as of late. Harrison is developing, so I'm not sure you want to take those minutes away. JJ doesn't even play the same position, so if he goes to IL, then Double D is taking a current players mins. At that point, I think he would take the mins that AC is getting at the 5.

    I am with you Peck, I think it would be great to see Double D back, but you have to wonder how he'd fit in with the current group.

    With that said, I say sign him just to keep him away from the Pistons

    This space for rent

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    • #3
      Re: I wish I never would have read this......

      I want DD as a Pacer....I do not want DD as a Piston.

      It is my full expectation that he will sign here. Once I heard that he was being shipped to NO I was convinced that LB/DW would not pull any trades becasue they knew they could get him.
      You cannot have too many big men period. It is speculated that the SPurs traded for Nazr because of the possibility of having to go up against Shaq in the finals. Well? Do you want to face Shaq with a possible gimpy Pollard, a rookie, and a vastly undersized (tho scrappy) Foster and or Croshere. Our real options there are Scott and Cro...Harrison has yet to face him and woul likely foul out in record time vs. Shaq and his all-star treatment.

      The question becomes who does he replace ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER??? Gill? Unless they plan on FJ playing some point we need that 3rd PG for the PO's. JJ? His scoring while playing the 3 is needed...or is it? FJ? No, we need his abiity to penetrate. So, IMPO it would be Gill with FJ playing the 3rd PG role.

      BUt in any event...WE NEED THAT BIG MAN!!!
      Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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      • #4
        Re: I wish I never would have read this......

        I would love to have Dale Davis back. "He knows where I live". But, yes I have a concern about when and where he would play. Someone mentioned Scot Pollard having a nice run OF LATE. I think Scot has had a very good YEAR for us.
        The best exercise of the human heart is reaching down and picking someone else up.

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        • #5
          Re: I wish I never would have read this......

          Originally posted by indygeezer
          You cannot have too many big men period. It is speculated that the SPurs traded for Nazr because of the possibility of having to go up against Shaq in the finals. Well? Do you want to face Shaq with a possible gimpy Pollard, a rookie, and a vastly undersized (tho scrappy) Foster and or Croshere. Our real options there are Scott and Cro...Harrison has yet to face him and woul likely foul out in record time vs. Shaq and his all-star treatment.
          This is exactly the reason why getting Dale is a great move. With Shaq in the East, we're going to need all the big bodies we can get if we're going to have a chance of beating the Heat. That's just the way it is. I'd rather have another six fouls coming from Dale than from Austin. Let Austin spend more time at PF.

          If Harrison's minutes are lessened, then so be it. We're going to need experience come playoff time, not potential. Plus, think of the role model Dale could be for Harrison. The lessons he could teach Harrison in practice will be invaluable for years to come.

          Plus, if Dale is on our team, he's not on the Pistons. Don't underestimate the importance of that fact.

          Originally posted by indygeezer
          The question becomes who does he replace ON THE ACTIVE ROSTER??? Gill?
          Gill. Agreed. We have no use for Gill if Tinsley is healthy. Even now, I'd rather see Fred at PG over Gill.

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          • #6
            Re: I wish I never would have read this......

            I think its a no brainer.
            Donnie won't let Detroit get Dale and he will be here unless he wants to go to the highest bidder.

            From there, I think it comes down to what the Pacers really think about what their chances in the playoffs are. If they intent to make a serious run then David is taken out of the rotation. If the Pacers have doubts because Tinsley is really hurt bad then they have to think about letting Scot, Jeff and Cro getting extra rest.

            I could see Dale starting, but only because they continue to start Reggie.

            Either way I just want to see Dale back at home being mean to people.

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            • #7
              Re: I wish I never would have read this......

              I have no idea how this will effect the rotation. First we don't know what type of shape dale is in. He's played very little this season, but I've heard he played a few good games lately. Assuming the Pacers sign Dale, I suspect he will move ahead of DH and Pollard immediately. Whether he moves ahead of Foster, I have no idea, . I suspect that Dalke and Jeff would get similar minutes, both in the low 20's.

              What does this do to Croshere? I think he'll get spot minutes when the Pacers are trailing and need some outside shooting, although he really provides little of that.

              Bring Dale home, let Artest come back and my two favorite Pacers of all time are united.

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              • #8
                Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                I'll worry about the "how he fits" stuff when he's here. I just want him here to begin with.

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                • #9
                  Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                  Just opened today's paper; I didn't realize this was a newer article; this didn't make the printed paper.

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                  • #10
                    Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                    We def need to get him. We can't rely on Harrison come playoff time and if Pollard or Foster goes down then we only have one true experienced center.

                    Another thing is that we don't want the Pistons to get him.

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                    • #11
                      Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                      I'd still rather get Antonio back.......



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                      • #12
                        Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                        Originally posted by A-Train
                        I'd still rather get Antonio back.......



                        Ah the good ole days....



                        Make you a deal though. How about we reverse the Bender trade & just do Tony straight up for Jon.


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #13
                          Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                          With the uncertainty of back problems w/Foster & Pollard, Dale would be a great pickup as you know Pollard will always (probably)have back issues.

                          It would be a great isurance policy for the playoffs.Not counting the mentoring he could have on DH and of course he would have his teamates backs.We are not exactly known as a tough team right now.

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                          • #14
                            Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                            Think of this:


                            Dale Davis.....Rasheed Wallace.....Ben Wallace..................together.
                            Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                            • #15
                              Re: I wish I never would have read this......

                              Originally posted by Peck
                              Make you a deal though. How about we reverse the Bender trade & just do Tony straight up for Jon.
                              Yes, please!!!!!

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