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    Default Re: Reggie Miller wants Lance back

    Reggie can't be so stupid that he doesn't understand the difference between each player's situation. Or maybe he can be.
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    Default Re: Reggie Miller wants Lance back

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    I think it is logical to suggest that Hayward is going to shoot a worse % because he was on a terrible team therefore opponents focused their defense on him a lot more than opponents focused their defense on Lance.
    Or he could be Shareef Abdur Rahim or someone like that. I'm just saying I wouldn't invest 60 million dollars in him.

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    No, I think everyone is overestimating how much Hayward is worth. Notice I've never said that I think Lance is worth significantly more than what we offered. I just don't see how Hayward is worth $15 million per.
    This I agree with.

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    To me the absolute max I would consider for Lance or Hayward is $10-11 per.

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    Or he could be Shareef Abdur Rahim or someone like that. I'm just saying I wouldn't invest 60 million dollars in him.

    I probably wouldn't either. But if the choice was presented to me. Lance or Hayward. Money not a factor, everything else is. I would take Hayward.

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    Maybe the Pacers didn't offer more money because they can't afford to.

    After George took the Pacers for as much as possible, it's not surprising they can't afford as much on other players.

    BTW, Hayward was likely overpaid but then again you can usually get paid more if you're willing to play for a bad team.

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    People underestimate how good Lance can be.
    When people attribute him to being the only thing that keeps a team from being "Lebron's *****" they overestimate how good he can be too.

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    Gordon Hayward is going to get way overpaid, apparently, but how does that "earn" Lance the chance to get way overpaid, too?

    Rashard Lewis used to be the highest paid player in the league and was never a top 10 player. Mistakes happen, but mistakes then don't have to become the norm, just to deliver some sort of equity in the universe.
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    15 million a year vs 9 million a year? Did Lance kill a stripper while I wasn't paying attention? It's just odd. If the Pacers were offering someone like Hayward 4/63 I would be pissed.

    Don't see the big offers rolling in for Lance yet do you? I would bet when it's all said and done Hayward has a much better career than Stephenson.

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    Maybe the Pacers didn't offer more money because they can't afford to.

    After George took the Pacers for as much as possible, it's not surprising they can't afford as much on other players.

    BTW, Hayward was likely overpaid but then again you can usually get paid more if you're willing to play for a bad team.
    Assuming you mean Paul George, he did not take us for as much as possible.

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    Hayward is a fine player. 24 years old, well-rounded player, decent size. Unlike Lance, he's consistent and behaves himself, is disciplined and coachable. I'm sure most staffs look at Hayward as a resource they'd like to have, and he produces no headaches. Gordon out produced Lance at almost everything on the court, and without any of the sideshow headaches.

    He has teams throwing the max at him, whereas Lance is getting lowballs, soooo... I'd say the consensus is telling the story...
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    Maybe the Pacers didn't offer more money because they can't afford to.

    After George took the Pacers for as much as possible, it's not surprising they can't afford as much on other players.

    BTW, Hayward was likely overpaid but then again you can usually get paid more if you're willing to play for a bad team.
    He "took them for as much as possible"? As if he did the Pacers some disservice by signing his contract extension.

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    Pay is, in part, based on ability.

    It is in part based upon concerns about other things too, like immaturity, lack of focus, lack of composure, not getting along with people, not sharing the ball.

    It's a balance.
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    15 million a year vs 9 million a year? Did Lance kill a stripper while I wasn't paying attention? It's just odd. If the Pacers were offering someone like Hayward 4/63 I would be pissed.
    No, just supposedly banged his baby's mama's head against a stair. Giving Lance money scares me, and I'm sure it scares a lot of other people. Lance seems like the type of guy to get his contract and then sit back and think he's made it. I'm not so sure Gordon fits that description. Might be overpaid, but he's not the risk Lance is.
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    Don't see the big offers rolling in for Lance yet do you? I would bet when it's all said and done Hayward has a much better career than Stephenson.
    You're making it sound like I believe Lance should have big offers rolling in, when I've never said that. I just don't think Hayward should have big offers rolling in either.

    As far as their careers, Hayward has a lot of catching up to do already.

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    Gordon Hayward is going to get way overpaid, apparently, but how does that "earn" Lance the chance to get way overpaid, too?

    Rashard Lewis used to be the highest paid player in the league and was never a top 10 player. Mistakes happen, but mistakes then don't have to become the norm, just to deliver some sort of equity in the universe.
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    No, just supposedly banged his baby's mama's head against a stair. Giving Lance money scares me, and I'm sure it scares a lot of other people. Lance seems like the type of guy to get his contract and then sit back and think he's made it. I'm not so sure Gordon fits that description. Might be overpaid, but he's not the risk Lance is.
    I don't understand this. It's OK to overpay somebody for being a "goody too shoes", and its also OK to underpay somebody that's very good at basketball?
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    I don't understand this. It's OK to overpay somebody for being a "goody too shoes", and its also OK to underpay somebody that's very good at basketball?
    I don't understand how you got that out of what I said.

    Where did I say it's okay to overpay someone because they're a "goody too shoes" or that it's okay to underpay someone that's "very good at basketball?"
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    Assuming you mean Paul George, he did not take us for as much as possible.
    Well he took us for over the normal max but not the "Derrick Rose Max". Makes filling out the rest of the roster a bit harder.

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    I don't understand this. It's OK to overpay somebody for being a "goody too shoes", and its also OK to underpay somebody that's very good at basketball?

    If he's part of the reason your team fell apart it is. We don't know all that went on behind the scenes, but maybe Larry knows it's not worth the risk to pay more than what was offered.

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    I don't understand this. It's OK to overpay somebody for being a "goody too shoes", and its also OK to underpay somebody that's very good at basketball?
    People never learn from the mistake of throwing character to the side. It's like the brawl had no bearing at all on some folks. Character issues almost always bite your team in the ***.
    Good players get paid, but character issues command a price reduction these days.
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    Don't see the big offers rolling in for Lance yet do you? I would bet when it's all said and done Hayward has a much better career than Stephenson.
    Main reason RFAs probably get big offers, and soon, is because they want to pry them away from home team, and the home team has a limited amount of time to match the offer. Why allow them more time to get things figured out? Sign the player to the max offer sheet ASAP and hope the home team doesn't match.

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    Hayward is a fine player. 24 years old, well-rounded player, decent size. Unlike Lance, he's consistent and behaves himself, is disciplined and coachable. I'm sure most staffs look at Hayward as a resource they'd like to have, and he produces no headaches. Gordon out produced Lance at almost everything on the court, and without any of the sideshow headaches.

    He has teams throwing the max at him, whereas Lance is getting lowballs, soooo... I'd say the consensus is telling the story...
    See this is what I take issue with

    "Out produced Lance at almost everything"

    2013-2014 numbers incoming.

    Lance shot 49% from the field. Hayward shot 40%. Lance shot 35% from 3. Hayward shot 30%. Their turnovers are nearly identical Lance at 2.7, and Hayward at 2.8. Hayward did outscore Lance by about 2 PPG but it took him two extra field goal attempts per game to do it. Hayward a slight advantage on assists 5.2 to 4.8. Lance holds a 2RPG advantage 7.2 to 5.1. Hayward did have an advantage on steals 1.4 to .7.

    If it's all based on "attitude", then I would just expect Hayward to get a preferential treatment from most teams, but I'm sorry Hayward's numbers in no way back up a max contract. He's a nice player, but he looks pretty Mike Dunleavy-ish to me with slightly better defense. If you guys think that's worth $60million over 4 years then I'm glad you're not in charge of the Pacers.

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    Gordon Hayward is going to get way overpaid, apparently, but how does that "earn" Lance the chance to get way overpaid, too?

    Rashard Lewis used to be the highest paid player in the league and was never a top 10 player. Mistakes happen, but mistakes then don't have to become the norm, just to deliver some sort of equity in the universe.
    Like I said, I'm in no way endorsing Lance Stephenson for a max contract player. I'm just saying that I think there should be a lot of alarms going off for any team considering giving Hayward that much money, but too late for Charlotte or Utah if they match. Good for Gordon, get that money.

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    If he's part of the reason your team fell apart it is. We don't know all that went on behind the scenes, but maybe Larry knows it's not worth the risk to pay more than what was offered.
    Maybe Larry is just significantly better at managing money than MJ in this case.

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