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Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

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  • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

    Take Hibbert away from our team and you take our "contender" status away too.

    No matter which way you try cutting the pie, Hibbert is THAT valuable to our team.

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    • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

      Originally posted by dohman View Post
      Our defense would allow 15 more ppl without hibbert in the lineup.
      Did you mean ppg?

      Roy is like a box of chocates. Maybe more like anyflavor Jellybeans. Sometimes he is great, but other times the bean taste like dish soap.
      Last edited by spazzxb; 07-03-2014, 04:55 PM.

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      • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

        Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
        Take Hibbert away from our team and you take our "contender" status away too.

        No matter which way you try cutting the pie, Hibbert is THAT valuable to our team.
        Right, but even when he is on the team he takes himself out, which is what everyone here is talking about. Good Hibbert is dominant and one of the top 5 centers in the league. How often do we get that guy? 1/3rd of the season? 1/4th? How often do we get Bad Hibbert who is a detriment to the team that is outplayed by Ian? I would say this last season, especially when it counted the most​, we got the Bad Hibbert more than the Good Hibbert.

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        • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

          Originally posted by Dr. Awesome View Post
          Take Hibbert away from our team and you take our "contender" status away too.

          No matter which way you try cutting the pie, Hibbert is THAT valuable to our team.
          I don't want to make this a Roy debate, but I disagree. He had a few playoff games with 0 points and 0 rebounds. I understand the Hawks were a bad match up for Roy, but there is never any excuse having those numbers. I would prefer a center only concerned with defense and hustling. I could deal with a defensive downgrade at Center if that player didn't care about scoring points. Addition by subtraction sort of
          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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          • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

            Originally posted by dohman View Post
            Our defense would allow 15 more ppl without hibbert in the lineup.
            Would they be allowed 15 more people? Is that legal???


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            • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

              Originally posted by P_George View Post
              The problem is, you're using purely stats around the rim. That's it. How about how many times he got beat on the PnR? How many times did he repeatedly let Dwayne Wade get into the lane only to drop a tear drop on his face? How many times did he flat out not close out on a three point shot in the Atlanta series? He was bad at a lot of things, defense was one.
              Hes a rim protector. Asking him to cover anywhere outside of 6 ft near the rim is too much for a slow footed, un athletic C like Roy. Players and teams still shoot a putrid percentage at the rim and Roy is a lot of that. Most of that even.

              You talk about D wade shooting a floater over him, how about the guy guarding him that's letting Wade get to the cup? Where's his responsibility for that?

              Our defense went from historically great to just pretty good once our perimiter players started playing lax on the perimiter. Our lack of speed up top hurts sometimes as well

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              • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                So to put this thing in perspective, I hope people realize, in the past 25 years (since Magic) only two all-star PGs (Tony Parker and I.Thomas (Pistons)) have ever won the finals. It's mostly the wings SF/SG (MJ, LBJ, Kobe) or a PF/C (Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Dirk) that carry the team. There is a reason big men get paid more, there aren't that many while there is a glut of decent point guards.

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                • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                  Originally posted by immortality View Post
                  So to put this thing in perspective, I hope people realize, in the past 25 years (since Magic) only two all-star PGs (Tony Parker and I.Thomas (Pistons)) have ever won the finals. It's mostly the wings SF/SG (MJ, LBJ, Kobe) or a PF/C (Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Dirk) that carry the team. There is a reason big men get paid more, there aren't that many while there is a glut of decent point guards.
                  Game has changed a lot over the years. Ball handling duties are not only inclusive with PG's. I would argue Lebron James was more of a PG than Mario Chalmers. Lebron ran the offense
                  Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                  • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                    Originally posted by 1984 View Post
                    I just want to see Roy with a real point guard.
                    Why? I really don't think it will help his offense any at all. A purer point guard won't help his slow feet, slow hands, and soft shot attempts at the rim. Lance and Paul dropped it off to him under the rim dozens of times this year where He didn't even convert 50 percent of the time. And I'm not bashing Roy, I love his rim protection and hooks in the post when he's putting them up with confidence. I just don't think a better pg will help with his slow hands and feet and soft shot attempts at the rim.

                    The only instances that I can see a better pg would help is feeding him the ball more in the post bc they know he won't play as aggressive D if he's not getting his touches, and getting him a couple more passes a game when he's being fronted in the post.

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                    • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                      Originally posted by immortality View Post
                      So to put this thing in perspective, I hope people realize, in the past 25 years (since Magic) only two all-star PGs (Tony Parker and I.Thomas (Pistons)) have ever won the finals. It's mostly the wings SF/SG (MJ, LBJ, Kobe) or a PF/C (Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem, Dirk) that carry the team. There is a reason big men get paid more, there aren't that many while there is a glut of decent point guards.
                      Rondo is a 4 time all star. Chauncy Billups was too. Or did you mean the same year?

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                      • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                        What this really boils down to is matchups, and specifically how we match up vs Miami. On paper, Miami is weak at PG with Chalmers, and should be exposed. For whatever reason, George Hill has not out-played Chalmers, and Miami knows we cannot win the PG matchup. Now with Dragic at PG, Miami has their hands full trying to win that matchup
                        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                        • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                          Originally posted by P_George View Post
                          The problem is, you're using purely stats around the rim. That's it. How about how many times he got beat on the PnR?
                          Not all Centers are able to defend the PnR. If the vast majority of the Centers can defend the PnR and Hibbert can't, I'll consider that a real weakness in his game cuz he can't do what other Centers do. I agree that it sucks that he can't defend the PnR....but I'm not going to knock Hibbert for something that not every Center can do themselves.

                          Originally posted by P_George View Post
                          How many times did he repeatedly let Dwayne Wade get into the lane only to drop a tear drop on his face?
                          Isn't our Defense designed to allow those 10 feet floaters? Don't we give up the Mid-range jumpshot or anything in that area cuz the defense is designed that way? The defense is designed to funnel the offense to the Center where Teams either run into Center or they take the wide open floater or mid-range jumpshot at the FT line.

                          Originally posted by P_George View Post
                          How many times did he flat out not close out on a three point shot in the Atlanta series? He was bad at a lot of things, defense was one.
                          The Centers are supposed to be protecting the paint. I don't expect Hibbert to close out on a Perimeter shooting Player when Hibbert is supposed to stay within 5 feet from the rim. You're asking a Center ( what's worse, someone that is already slow ) to cover a large amount of space. Hibbert certainly can't do that......and I doubt that the majority of the Centers can do the same. If he is able to get within range of doing so.....great....if he can't....I'm not going to knock him for that.
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                            Gortat was torching Hibbert, I won't miss that defense at all. I hope Hibbert reads the board and see's this post.

                            I WANT YOU OFF MY TEAM ROY!!!!

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                            • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                              Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                              I forgot Dragic was a third team all-NBA selection. In that case, no way we can get him.
                              Roy was 2nd team all-NBA Defensive squad...but again, according to others we have no assets anyone would want...

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                              • Re: Pacers trying to deal for Dragic

                                Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                                What this really boils down to is matchups, and specifically how we match up vs Miami. On paper, Miami is weak at PG with Chalmers, and should be exposed. For whatever reason, George Hill has not out-played Chalmers, and Miami knows we cannot win the PG matchup. Now with Dragic at PG, Miami has their hands full trying to win that matchup
                                Disagree. And I'm not happy with Hill AT ALL. But Hill smoked Chalmers this year. Maybe that was more about how bad Chalmers was...but Hill easily outplayed him. Pretty sure that was the consensus as well among the experts and talking heads.

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