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    It matters a lot. CP3 could come in here and see drastic stat drops.

    The offensive system needs an overhaul, so while getting scorers are nice, it won't amount to jack if there is just PG ISO ball. Look how many shot clock violations this team had and then include all the last second hoists they had to put up. The offensive system is a hot mess.

    At least the defense keeps us in games. So yeah, defense means a lot.
    I don't think Hibbert's defensive impact offsets how bad he was in every other facet. Rebounding, shooting efficiency, fouls, etc. Just not worth it.
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    Crap man, Dragic = 20.3 pts, 5.9 assists and shot .505 overall and .408 from three. I know it was a faster pace but still.

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    http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...oe-george-hill

    Suns trading away Goran Dragic, possibly to the Pacers? Not so fast, says a source with knowledge of the talks.

    “No, no, no,” the source said. “Nothing to that. The team and Goran, they’re still committed to each other.”

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    Doesn't he kind of contradict himself, the source with knowledge of the talks says the talks aren't true...?

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    Doesn't he kind of contradict himself, the source with knowledge of the talks says the talks aren't true...?
    No. He said the talks were one-sided. In other words, Pacers interested - Suns, not so much.

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    and /end thread....it was exciting while it lasted

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    A reporter with an unnamed source says, "No, no, no."

    It's over with guys. The dream is crashed. Obviously some sarcasm here.
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    I feel as though that is the opposite. We have assets that we stomp all over, but would probably be intriguing to other teams for the right price. Our bench is not deep in terms of value, but if we are interested in moving one of our core 6-7 players then I believe teams would be willing to talk.
    100%

    Case in point, nobody thought there would be a market for Green or Plumlee, let alone both for (what was then considered) a quality player in Scola. All it took was another GM realizing that the Pacers were misusing both guys and look what happened.

    Often times it's about the fit more than the actual production, as long as the ability is there. Hibbert and Hill appear to be square pegs for round holes in this offense, but they each have tons of playoff experience, measurables and enough talent that a young team that is looking to take the next step may value them much more than we do, especially if they have two guards with similar skillsets like the Suns, and especially if they're in the Western Conference, where interior defense is a necessity (as opposed to being a luxury as it is in the East)

    In short, value to us does not necessarily indicate value to another team.

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    100%

    Case in point, nobody thought there would be a market for Green or Plumlee, let alone both for (what was then considered) a quality player in Scola. All it took was another GM realizing that the Pacers were misusing both guys and look what happened.

    Often times it's about the fit more than the actual production, as long as the ability is there. Hibbert and Hill appear to be square pegs for round holes in this offense, but they each have tons of playoff experience, measurables and enough talent that a young team that is looking to take the next step may value them much more than we do, especially if they have two guards with similar skillsets like the Suns, and especially if they're in the Western Conference, where interior defense is a necessity (as opposed to being a luxury as it is in the East)

    In short, value to us does not necessarily indicate value to another team.
    Oh please. Ryan McDonough didn't know Indiana was misusing those guys. He was collecting assets. To squeeze a first round pick and Miles Plumlee out of the Pacers, the price of doing business was taking on Gerald Green. The fact that they performed was an unexpected bonus.

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    Oh please. Ryan McDonough didn't know Indiana was misusing those guys. He was collecting assets. To squeeze a first round pick and Miles Plumlee out of the Pacers, the price of doing business was taking on Gerald Green. The fact that they performed was an unexpected bonus.
    Well ****, I knew they were misusing them and I'm no NBA executive. If I knew it, I'm pretty sure other GMs could see it as well.

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    Well ****, I knew they were misusing them and I'm no NBA executive. If I knew it, I'm pretty sure other GMs could see it as well.
    We weren't using Plumlee at all. If you thought he deserved playing time back then, I'd love to see a post expressing as much. The overwhelming sentiment around here was that he was a wasted pick and was more of a punchline than anything.

    Green; we weren't really misusing him--he thrives in unstructured offenses where he isn't expected to defend at a high level. Not our style of play. We were a bad fit together, but in order to make him a good fit, we pretty much would have had to have restructured our entire scheme--not something many teams are willing to do for a 7th or 8th man.

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    I forgot Dragic was a third team all-NBA selection. In that case, no way we can get him.

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    It just seems extremely far-fetched that the Suns would trade their best player on a young up and coming team that was one of the league's biggest surprises last year. I still think that Bledsoe is more likely to be traded.

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    It just seems extremely far-fetched that the Suns would trade their best player on a young up and coming team that was one of the league's biggest surprises last year. I still think that Bledsoe is more likely to be traded.
    I honestly don't think either one of them is going anywhere. Bledsoe is an RFA, and close enough to max level contract where no team is going to make him an offer, and the Suns have beaucoup cap space to bring him back. It should be noted that when they were both healthy, those two together in the Suns' backcourt were devastating. The Suns can build around those two in the backcourt.

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    Seems to me the Pacers expressed interest, but don't have the assets that interest Phoenix. Perhaps, they're trying to pull in Boston as the third team. I'd have to think that either Lance or Roy would be involved.

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    So tragic we can't get Dragic. It's a bitter pill to be count on Hill. Any chance we still retain Lance? If we're real unlucky we'll be stuck with Stuckey.

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    So tragic we can't get Dragic. It's a bitter pill to be count on Hill. Any chance we still retain Lance? If we're real unlucky we'll be stuck with Stuckey.
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    Since it is out in rumors it will never happen.
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    Dragic was very good last year. Better than Bledsoe IMO.

    If we get Dragic, I wouldn't care at all what happens with Lance.
    Thats because Bledsoe was injured for quite a while. I would take Bledsoe over Gragic any day
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    We weren't using Plumlee at all. If you thought he deserved playing time back then, I'd love to see a post expressing as much. The overwhelming sentiment around here was that he was a wasted pick and was more of a punchline than anything.
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    Green; we weren't really misusing him--he thrives in unstructured offenses where he isn't expected to defend at a high level. Not our style of play. We were a bad fit together, but in order to make him a good fit, we pretty much would have had to have restructured our entire scheme--not something many teams are willing to do for a 7th or 8th man.
    It's not that he thrives in unstructured offenses. He simply thrives on a higher pace. We are a slow-paced team and thus we never were a good fit for Green. The one thing that we could do but didn't do was to try to take advantage of his athleticism by posting him up. He produced some good results in the post but he was rarely used in this capacity.
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    We weren't using Plumlee at all. If you thought he deserved playing time back then, I'd love to see a post expressing as much. The overwhelming sentiment around here was that he was a wasted pick and was more of a punchline than anything.

    Green; we weren't really misusing him--he thrives in unstructured offenses where he isn't expected to defend at a high level. Not our style of play. We were a bad fit together, but in order to make him a good fit, we pretty much would have had to have restructured our entire scheme--not something many teams are willing to do for a 7th or 8th man.
    Happy to oblige, any other requests?:

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1466222
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1466315
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1528411
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1529557
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1533872



    Re: Green, the answer is simply playing time. Look at the splits. I have to wonder if you're talking out of your butt here.

    On that note, let me quote myself about our bench guys, again I'm no expert:

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1529532
    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...=1#post1524560

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    It's not that he thrives in unstructured offenses. He simply thrives on a higher pace. We are a slow-paced team and thus we never were a good fit for Green. The one thing that we could do but didn't do was to try to take advantage of his athleticism by posting him up. He produced some good results in the post but he was rarely used in this capacity.
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    It's not that he thrives in unstructured offenses. He simply thrives on a higher pace. We are a slow-paced team and thus we never were a good fit for Green. The one thing that we could do but didn't do was to try to take advantage of his athleticism by posting him up. He produced some good results in the post but he was rarely used in this capacity.
    This. We tried to use him as a spot up shooter, post entry passer and an ISO player in late clock situations. These aren't his strengths - which is why he struggled so mightily.

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    No, I wasn't talking out my ***, but you proved you weren't either. That's all I asked for.

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    You've never said a negative word about a single player on the Pacers, or probably any other player in the world.
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