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    People love to harp about Lance's obvious flaws but forget that a very rare base of talent is there. I think Lance has actually turned out quite well given his maturity issues, the fact that he is only 23, and what I think has been fairly lackluster Pacers coaching in terms of putting a good offensive system in place.

    People shouldn't think of the immediate gains with Lance but where he might be in 2-3 years. By then Lance will be a little bit older and wiser (people in their mid-late 20's and early 20's are quite different maturity wise), he and PG will know each other's game and tendencies like the back of their hands, and Bird may even decide we need a better X's and O's coach who can take advantage of our players skillsets better. All of that on top of Lance just being 23 and ridiculously talented.

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    They must jave had that shotty rrady for most of the 12/13 season
    It must not have been loaded 'cause he still took his sweet time getting the ball down the court, and then did his Travis Best impression dribbling most of the shot clock away. And no, he isn't waiting for a play to develop, he just isn't the guy who should be trying to run an offense.

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    It must not have been loaded 'cause he still took his sweet time getting the ball down the court, and then did his Travis Best impression dribbling most of the shot clock away. And no, he isn't waiting for a play to develop, he just isn't the guy who should be trying to run an offense.
    Maybe the issue isn't what GH is doing....but what the Coach/FO is asking him to do.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    People love to harp about Lance's obvious flaws but forget that a very rare base of talent is there. I think Lance has actually turned out quite well given his maturity issues, the fact that he is only 23, and what I think has been fairly lackluster Pacers coaching in terms of putting a good offensive system in place.

    People shouldn't think of the immediate gains with Lance but where he might be in 2-3 years. By then Lance will be a little bit older and wiser (people in their mid-late 20's and early 20's are quite different maturity wise), he and PG will know each other's game and tendencies like the back of their hands, and Bird may even decide we need a better X's and O's coach who can take advantage of our players skillsets better. All of that on top of Lance just being 23 and ridiculously talented.
    I understand his unique skills and I added that into my analysis, he is an X-Factor, he helps out all over the court. I will say some players mature, but not all, Lance has been at his act for a while now and you have to accept the fact that is who he is, if he did not play the game with fire that he does that brings out the bad then the good from that fire would not be able to come out, I think he said something along those lines himself. Also I would like to add he and PG could get to know each others games better, or there could just turn into more animosity between the two at times. KD and Westbrook have both grown and understand each others games better, but as KD said they still give each other headaches all the time, difference with them I think they love each other, I just don't see that with PG and Lance, but who knows.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    I would target Marion and move George to SG
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    no money to do it. we're done spending on non-minimum free agents.

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    I would target Marion and move George to SG
    I would have considered him a solid Plan B with the full MLE as well.....but now, it's too late.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    If we lose Lance, we should consider tanking for a lottery pick.

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    If we lose Lance, we should consider tanking for a lottery pick.

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    If we lose Lance, we have to start settling for second round exits, instead of conference finals exits. I'd rather we suck than be an above average team.
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    FYI people Lances offer is still on the table and he has not declined it according to Scott Agness

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    Lance (arguably) already is a top 5 2 guard. That says a lot about the state of the 2 guards in the league, granted, but the dude's 23 years old. And we're going to let him walk for nothing.

    Please explain how you can get something for Stephenson knowing there is not enogh salary to take a player/players back in a S&T? How else could you get something back?

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    You need talent to win in this league. Losing Lance is a significant loss in talent. There is just no other way to spin it.
    BUT what if this talent, Stephenson, was the reason for the Pacers empolding the 2nd half of the season?

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    If we lose Lance, we should consider tanking for a lottery pick.

    Yep, let the tanking begin!!

    You truly think Bird would go for that??

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    Yep, let the tanking begin!!

    You truly think Bird would go for that??
    Probably not. That's why we need to trade him to the Bucks for a 2nd round pick and cash.

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    FYI people Lances offer is still on the table and he has not declined it according to Scott Agness

    INTERESTING, so do the Pacers have enough salary left to cover the offer w/o going into the LT?

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    FYI people Lances offer is still on the table and he has not declined it according to Scott Agness
    So I guess if he accepts it, Cope, Scola, or Mahimni is getting traded?

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    Please explain how you can get something for Stephenson knowing there is not enogh salary to take a player/players back in a S&T? How else could you get something back?
    By keeping him.

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    INTERESTING, so do the Pacers have enough salary left to cover the offer w/o going into the LT?
    No.

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    If we lose Lance, we have to start settling for second round exits, instead of conference finals exits. I'd rather we suck than be an above average team.
    No, it is an entirely possible scenario that losing Lance ends up helping us, yes losing Lance could kill us, but you can't just forget that he could have been a locker room issue. I am not saying which is true, but both are entirely possible scenarios
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    Why are you so high on Hills 15pts/5asst 2 years ago with no Lance when Lance got 14pts/5asst/7rebs with Hill in the lineup?
    2 seasons ago lance was in the lineup as the 5th option and posted similar stats to those of George Hill this year.

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    No way that I am a Lance hater, but I think people on here only see him as a comodity because of what he can do as an individual and don't understand that you have to address him on how, he, him being an x-factor, his contract, his antics, and the off the court issues affect the team in total. If you do not do that then you will never see any of the points some of us are trying to make.
    Has the team fined or suspended him?

    Has the league fined him for anything other than flopping?

    Why would we offer him 44 million dollars AND MAKE A MOVIE AS A PART OF A PRESENTATION if he was a big problem? Nobody knows how his "antics" affected the team any better than Larry Bird, and he has offered him almost all of our cap space despite having other needs to address.

    If you ignore all the bs, this team is desperately trying to keep him and there is a reason.

    Tell me how Lances "antics" were responsible for Roy Hibberts second half?

    Tell me how his "antics" were responsible for George Hill not being aggressive when HE HAD THE BALL!

    Tell me how his "antics" cause PG to turn into a jump shooter and his shooting percentage tanking as a result?

    Tell me how his "antics" caused DWest to barely even try in the ECF unless he had a chance to shoot?

    Tell me how getting rid of him is gonna wipe away all those issues and I'll jump on board.
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    IN INDY, and again, this has to do a lot with COACHING... You guys keep bringing up the same idea but are not addressing the biggest negating factor to him being more of an aggressive scorer.
    Coaching has nothing to do with aggression. Besides, we have the same coach. He wasn't a consistent scorer in San Antonio either with the best coach on the planet, he was just an expendable bench player who they definitely haven't missed at all. He is not a difference maker. Just a role player. And again, I don't dislike a George Hill, I just understand what he is capable of and not capable of.

    He is, and always has been, an inconsistent player capable of big scoring nights and disappearing for stretches. But he is a capable defender and a smart player who usually won't kill you out there. I would love him as a 6-7 man off the bench. As a key cog you are not gonna hang with the better teams come playoff time.
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