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    Why would Lance be in any hurry? He knows the Pacers aren't taking their offer off the table. Until he's heard final offers from Charlotte, Atlanta, and everybody else with some money left to spend, he should be be willing to wait them out as well.
    At some point I'm sure the offer is off the table. Larry isn't going to wait until the end of summer after all MLE free agents are gone for Lance to make up his mind.

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    So what is Lance waiting on now? Here's a possible theory I'll throw out. I bet there are at least a few teams trying to preserve enough money under the cap to put in a bid for Carlos Boozer on Wednesday when he gets amnestied.

    Let's say a team has $12M under the cap that they'd be willing to offer a portion of to Lance. They may not want to make that offer and miss out on a chance to make a competitive bid on Boozer. They may be telling Lance they can't offer him till later this week, after the Boozer bidding is resolved.

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    Another thing that crossed my mind. If the Pacers have a good indication that Lance will accept the offer, they may be trying to clear salary cap space first. Cause it might be easier to trade Cope and Scola before other teams know for certain that we have to clear salary.

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    it doesn't. but for the Pacers that is stupid. Lance can't just expect the Pacers to wait and wait.. the front office has to build the franchise regardless of what he does.
    Yes he can. It's not like we can take that money from Lance and use it elsewhere.

    Our bed is laid. We either get Lance back or we are going into the season with CJ Miles as our starting two guard.

    So I hope you all like CJ Miles quite a bit.
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    We all know that in a couple years the new TV deal kicks in and the cap and tax levels are expected to increase by a goodly amount.

    Is it possible Lance wants to take advantage of that by signing a shorter deal, while the Pacers want a longer deal under the greater restrictions of the current cap and tax levels?

    Might that be where part of the problem is?
    Never thought of that as a possibilty. Good thought.

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    I was referring to Lance, not you.



    We can go into the tax, and Herb Simon has backed off his stance in regards to that. We won't be a consistent tax payer but I think we will definitely go into the tax briefly to secure a key free agent in the pursuit of a title.

    You may be right, but I don't see it happening. JMOAA

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    So what is Lance waiting on now? Here's a possible theory I'll throw out. I bet there are at least a few teams trying to preserve enough money under the cap to put in a bid for Carlos Boozer on Wednesday when he gets amnestied.

    Let's say a team has $12M under the cap that they'd be willing to offer a portion of to Lance. They may not want to make that offer and miss out on a chance to make a competitive bid on Boozer. They may be telling Lance they can't offer him till later this week, after the Boozer bidding is resolved.

    Different view than the norm. I like to see different thinking. Thanks

    Oh btw, I have REALLY appreciated your keeping us updated on info of signings and what other teams are doing! When I see a post of yours, I look forward to reading what news you have.

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    Tradeable? If this free-agency has shown anything is that I don't think very many teams want anything to do with Lance, especially long term.
    *sigh*

    No, it says they don't want him AT MORE THAN HE HAS BEEN OFFERED.

    It's like going to an auction. There's a nice old desk you want and you've set a limit of $100.

    Somebody opens at $100.

    You could break your limit and go to $110 or you could shrug and let the other guy have the desk.

    It doesn't mean you didn't want the desk.
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    Yes he can. It's not like we can take that money from Lance and use it elsewhere.

    Our bed is laid. We either get Lance back or we are going into the season with CJ Miles as our starting two guard.

    So I hope you all like CJ Miles quite a bit.

    Moneywise that is true, but Bird still has the option of making trades for a SG or PG.

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    Moneywise that is true, but Bird still has the option of making trades for a SG or PG.
    In particular, even though we can't sign someone with Lance's money it means that, within the inequal trade percentage allowed for an over the cap team, we could take back some additional salary as part of such a trade.

    It doesn't give us FA flexibility but it opens up trades much more.
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    What if George Hill would have initially rejected the Pacers 5 year $40 million dollar offer two years ago and shopped around? Would the people who say that the lack of interest in Lance is a red flag have been saying the same thing about Hill when he would have inevitably found no other suitors for that high price tag?

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    What if George Hill would have initially rejected the Pacers 5 year $40 million dollar offer two years ago and shopped around? Would the people who say that the lack of interest in Lance is a red flag have been saying the same thing about Hill when he would have inevitably found no other suitors for that high price tag?
    He probably did, just we didn't know about it because he didn't wait 2+ weeks to sign the contract. You are also assuming that 5 year $40 million was made in a vacuum, and not an offer made in counter to another team.

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    Moneywise that is true, but Bird still has the option of making trades for a SG or PG.
    While true, who can we trade for a starting quality SG, that won't leave a hole somewhere else in the lineup? If we're trading our spare parts, then the best we can hope for are guys like OJ Mayo or Gerald Henderson who IMO barely qualifies as "starting quality".

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    What if George Hill would have initially rejected the Pacers 5 year $40 million dollar offer two years ago and shopped around? Would the people who say that the lack of interest in Lance is a red flag have been saying the same thing about Hill when he would have inevitably found no other suitors for that high price tag?
    Probably not. But Hill wasn't labeled a future annual AS player, and someone that we absolutely HAD to re-sign in order for us to stay competitive within the EC either.

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    He probably did, just we didn't know about it because he didn't wait 2+ weeks to sign the contract.
    If he did shop around, it was really fast work. Mike Wells reported an agreement on the 2nd day of free agency (July 2, way before the actual day when contracts can be signed).

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...ll-5-year-deal

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    Probably not. But Hill wasn't labeled a future annual AS player, and someone that we absolutely HAD to re-sign in order for us to stay competitive within the EC either.
    We would absolutely need to replace Lance with a new starter to be a contender. I have no clue who actually holds positions as extreme as the ones your arguing against.(likely no one)

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    He probably did, just we didn't know about it because he didn't wait 2+ weeks to sign the contract. You are also assuming that 5 year $40 million was made in a vacuum, and not an offer made in counter to another team.
    That one happened so quickly there wasn't time for either side to say much of anything.

    Pacers: George, we'd like to offer you a...

    Hill: Hell yes!
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    What if George Hill would have initially rejected the Pacers 5 year $40 million dollar offer two years ago and shopped around? Would the people who say that the lack of interest in Lance is a red flag have been saying the same thing about Hill when he would have inevitably found no other suitors for that high price tag?
    Red flag, no b/c Hill doesn't have on court antic issues, But b/c he wasn't worth 8 mil.

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    Never thought of that as a possibilty. Good thought.
    My apologies for the misunderstanding. I'm a smartass, but I'm not an *******, lol.
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    If he did shop around, it was really fast work. Mike Wells reported an agreement on the 2nd day of free agency (July 2, way before the actual day when contracts can be signed).

    http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...ll-5-year-deal
    How long does a probing phone call take? I'm sure an agent can call all 30 teams and have an idea of interest, and price point within 5 hours. We aren't talking about getting into intense negotiations here. We are just talking about phone calls that probably don't need to last more than 10 minutes.

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    It could also be the Pacers telling Lance, "Let us know the top contract you get, if it's better than our offer. We'll deal Copeland or Scola, if not, you can come back on our original offer". Pacers may not want to deal Copeland or Scola unless they absolutely have to.

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    It could also be the Pacers telling Lance, "Let us know the top contract you get, if it's better than our offer. We'll deal Copeland or Scola, if not, you can come back on our original offer". Pacers may not want to deal Copeland or Scola unless they absolutely have to.
    I just don't see this happening it's a business and negotiation the pacers want to bring back lance with the least amount they have to spend and Lance wants the most he can get. But as it sits right now Lance has no leverage and until another team offers a contract the best one is still from the Pacers. Telling a free agent hey we want to spend more but such and such player is eating up the money we can spend on you is a ****** way of negotiating.

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    It could also be the Pacers telling Lance, "Let us know the top contract you get, if it's better than our offer. We'll deal Copeland or Scola, if not, you can come back on our original offer". Pacers may not want to deal Copeland or Scola unless they absolutely have to.
    they already absolutely have to. they gotta dump some guys anyway.

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    The Hornets aren't interested.

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