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    Because discussion is more than just threads full of people calling each other poopy heads.

    People can actually, you know, discuss reasoning rather than claiming anyone who doesn't interpret the evidence the same way is an idiot.
    Considering the magnitude of this critical point of Pacers future and Lance is the forefront of free agency for the Pacers, I think this thread has gone very well under the circumstances. Very little name calling. I've seen worst just for a word being misused.
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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    It is entirely possible that Lance's agent has told team that if they aren't willing to offer more than us, then don't even pick up the phone and voila Lance now is sitting there with only our offer in front of him because as it turns out, we are the top bidder.

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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    From http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...c1bc-187230869
    Lance Stephenson:
    The Pacers reportedly offered Stephenson five-years and $44 million early in free agency but the dynamic swingman refused to sign on the dotted line. With restricted free agent forwards Chandler Parsons and Gordon Hayward each receiving contracts that will pay over $15 million per year Stephenson was wise to turn down Indiana’s initial overture. However, the Pacers’ offer is now even less than what they offered originally.

    To make matters worse for Stephenson, the number of teams with the cap space needed to offer him the contract he desires is dwindling by the minute. Reports indicate Charlotte and Dallas had interest, but Charlotte signed Marvin Williams after missing on Hayward. Dallas’ space has since been used on Chandler Parsons.
    The Pacers have title expectations and with LeBron James leaving the Miami HEAT, the importance of Stephenson in the rotation becomes even more crucial.
    Stephenson is a borderline All-Star caliber player but potentially has hurt his market value due to some questionable on court tactics. However, one thing Stephenson without question is compete 100 percent every night.

    Read more at http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nb...L0ylWvQAVIM.99

    So we have lowered our offer to Lance?
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    Is Larry trying to get Lance to fire his agent?
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    What is basketball insiders lol

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    What is basketball insiders lol
    Steve Kyler started it after shutting down Hoopsworld.com

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    Wonder where they got the info that the offer is less?
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    What is basketball insiders lol
    I think its the site that Steve Kyler and Alex Kennedy started after their Gannett-owned operation shut down last year.
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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    Even if the info is true, he might not have gotten the whole story, for example Lance and the Pacers could be negotiating a deal that is similar in per year money but less in duration to give Lance more flexibility as well as the team.

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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    Didn't something similar happen to Earl Boykins? Turned down an offer to see what was out there then received much less money?

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    Even if the info is true, he might not have gotten the whole story, for example Lance and the Pacers could be negotiating a deal that is similar in per year money but less in duration to give Lance more flexibility as well as the team.

    If Lance really believes in himself and needs a year or two more to prove himself to all parties involved sign a short contract of 1-2 years and if he improves and the
    tax level goes way up he wins. Obviously teams are not willing to sign long with Lance except the Pacers. Lance has only himself to blame and only Lance can fix that.
    Just like the draft no one was willing so it is with free agency. Prove them wrong Lance if you want to sign the big contract.
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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    We all know that in a couple years the new TV deal kicks in and the cap and tax levels are expected to increase by a goodly amount.

    Is it possible Lance wants to take advantage of that by signing a shorter deal, while the Pacers want a longer deal under the greater restrictions of the current cap and tax levels?

    Might that be where part of the problem is?

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    You're right, he created a situation where someone is gonna pay him a ridiculous amount of money to play basketball next year. What a tool!

    A hater is someone who can't see the forest for the trees.

    TOOL? Just b/c someone doesn't agree with your view, wow. Someone needs to grow up! I may not agree with others views/opinions, but I don't stoop to name calling. There was absolutely no reason for you to make this derogatory comment. NONE WHAT SO EVER!
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    Default Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    Doesn't the offer have to be less because with CJ Miles signing, we have less cap space freed up to sign him? I thought I read that somewhere. However, my thought is that either Copeland or Scola will be moved regardless.

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    TOOL? Just b/c someone doesn't agree with your view, wow. Someone needs to grow up! I may not agree with others views/opinions, but I don't stoop to name calling. There was absolutely no reason for you to make this derogatory comment. NONE WHAT SO EVER!

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    Doesn't the offer have to be less because with CJ Miles signing, we have less cap space freed up to sign him? I thought I read that somewhere. However, my thought is that either Copeland or Scola will be moved regardless.
    We can go into the tax, and Herb Simon has backed off his stance in regards to that. We won't be a consistent tax payer but I think we will definitely go into the tax briefly to secure a key free agent in the pursuit of a title.
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    We all know that in a couple years the new TV deal kicks in and the cap and tax levels are expected to increase by a goodly amount.

    Is it possible Lance wants to take advantage of that by signing a shorter deal, while the Pacers want a longer deal under the greater restrictions of the current cap and tax levels?

    Might that be where part of the problem is?
    Could be. Might as well hire Les Gold from "Hardcore Pawn" to negotiate for us. "What would you really take?"

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    I could easily see Bird telling Lance when he made the offer, "Be patient, let the market decide your real value and then call me." I also believe Bird is invested enough in Lance to help him make the best decision for himself. Bird seems to really care for the kid and want the very best for him. Depending on his entourage needs, Lance should ask for more Monet and less years on this contract or a 3rd year option to take advantage of the new TV deal and/or CBA. Not to mention the possibility of making a couple of ASG's along the way. A player needs to know his own weaknesses, if any, to make his decisions. Myself, I would have given 'old Daddy Larry' a big hug and signed the damn thing before he could lay it back on his desk

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    At this point if I were Larry, I'd refuse to give Lance the 2 year deal. Bird has no incentive to give him a 2 year deal. Which will most likely cost the Pacers even more money in 2 years. Lock his *** up for 4 have a very tradeable contract if it just doesn't work out.
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    At this point if I were Larry, I'd refuse to give Lance the 2 year deal. Bird has no incentive to give him a 2 year deal. Which will most likely cost the Pacers even more money in 2 years. Lock his *** up for 4 have a very tradeable contract if it just doesn't work out.
    Tradeable? If this free-agency has shown anything is that I don't think very many teams want anything to do with Lance, especially long term.
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    Lance it's your own damn fault.... sign the offer b4 you make less than Ian

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    Why would Lance be in any hurry? He knows the Pacers aren't taking their offer off the table. Until he's heard final offers from Charlotte, Atlanta, and everybody else with some money left to spend, he should be be willing to wait them out as well.

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    Why would Lance be in any hurry? He knows the Pacers aren't taking their offer off the table. Until he's heard final offers from Charlotte, Atlanta, and everybody else with some money left to spend, he should be be willing to wait them out as well.
    that makes no sense for the Pacers though financially

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    that makes no sense for the Pacers though financially
    What difference does that make to Lance?

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    Welp, I'm lost now.

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    What does that matter to Lance?
    it doesn't. but for the Pacers that is stupid. Lance can't just expect the Pacers to wait and wait.. the front office has to build the franchise regardless of what he does.

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