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Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

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  • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

    Originally posted by 3rdStrike View Post
    What are you basing your confidence on? The last 3 seasons he went from 50% to 45% to 44% shooting. Rebounds went from 8.8 to 8.3 to 6.6. We've had a extended look at him over several seasons. Much like with Hill, what we saw is what we should expect. If we get better production then that's awesome. But to count on it would be very foolish, given the body of evidence.
    Because they are more than stats, if you want to say stats then hes per 36 rebounding numbers have gotten better besides this last season which was a dump. But his ability to be a force in the middle has been better, he has become quicker, and more aggressive, his offensive moves improved, he had more attention focused on him on the offensive side. Don't go to sleep on Roy, not sure where he will be, but honestly dont know where he wont be either... I would rather take a wait and see approach with this new team than getting my panties in a bunch until the season starts.
    Why so SERIOUS

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    • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

      Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
      Yeah, that worthless POS DC who started 56 games b4 being injured only to lose his starting job to Hill due to an injury. Hill had 56 games to take the PG job away from DC, and couldn't do it. You think Hill is some great PG, then I feel sorry for you. He's a SG in a PG body with a SG mentality. Combo guards are a dime a dozen.

      Who was going to sign Hill? Who even bothered to give him an offer sheet? I'm definately interested in seeing the answers to these questions?
      Well, I am pretty sure 90% of people on boards like PD wanted Hill to be the starting PG by game 15 that season. It just the injury forced Vogel to make a change. Upon doing so he decided to stick with it. It wasn't a matter of earning it, it was a matter of overcoming Vogel's stubbornness to making major changes, especially ones that result in a valuable player being benched.

      On a side note, at the time I was on the side that Hill was not a PG, and shouldn't be the starting PG.

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      • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

        Originally posted by Really? View Post
        Don't know where you get half from, and for those who think Roy is going to be as bad as he was during the playoffs or at the end of next season I wouldn't be so quick to make that assessment, he will have a lot of time over the summer to figure out what is going. Maybe he will figure it out and maybe he won't but I doubt he will be anywhere close to how bad he was... He literally has improved every offseason after working on some area of his game.
        Not just the end of the season and the playoffs......Roy was horrible for at least half of the regular season...

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        • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

          I think people are really jumping to conclusions way too quickly, it's only the 2nd day of free agency. Not surprising the Lance haters are out in full force, they always are when his name comes up.

          Lance should have turned the deal down, it was way too low. Avery Bradley got 8 million. Ariza is gonna get more than that. Hayward is getting a max offer. Lance is better than all those guys. None of them have ever been a starter on a real contender. He has been a key cog in one of the best teams in the league for two years.

          He deserves 10 a year at the very least. And I think we will give it to him by making a move or two to clear some space. Mahinmi could draw some interest. Watson could get some looks. Copeland could be intriguing to somebody. We can still cut Scola loose. I would think Scola has some value on the trade market so we might get out of all 5 million of his deal.

          Larry Bird didn't spend 4 years molding Lance to watch him walk and possibly go to our biggest division rival over a couple million per year.

          And as long as we keep him, I like our approach this year. I like Miles as a shooter off the bench who can play two spots. This euro guy is a bit of a mystery but he looks pretty skilled offensively from what little I've seen of him. We needed better shooting and we seem to have addressed that. We will see what happens.

          I would really like us to move Watson and make some room for Jameer Nelson to play that backup PG. He could be a big veteran presence for us and he has got some gas left in the tank.

          If we can move Scola and and maybe Watson, we'd have enough to bring back Lavoy Allen, Lance and maybe add Nelson as well.
          "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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          • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

            Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
            Not that I am thrilled with losing Lance, but if him being gone means we get to see a more aggressive George Hill I am happy with that.
            Did we see much of an aggressive Hill before Lance became a factor on the court?

            All I remember is he was just as passive then as he is now. Sort of " Wake me up when he finally gets the ball down the floor."

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            • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

              Originally posted by timid View Post
              Not just the end of the season and the playoffs......Roy was horrible for at least half of the regular season...
              But there was clearly something else going on there, The question is will it be resolved. If it is I want Roy to stay.

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              • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                Yeah, that worthless POS DC who started 56 games b4 being injured only to lose his starting job to Hill due to an injury. Hill had 56 games to take the PG job away from DC, and couldn't do it. You think Hill is some great PG, then I feel sorry for you. He's a SG in a PG body with a SG mentality. Combo guards are a dime a dozen.

                Who was going to sign Hill? Who even bothered to give him an offer sheet? I'm definately interested in seeing the answers to these questions?
                Sure, I guess Rick Carlisle wasn't enough motivation for DC when he couldn't start for the Mavs over 38 year old Mike James, he then had to take a 1.8 million contract with the clippers, he has shown he isn't a starter, but more of an energy guy, which is his ceiling.

                At that time I bet Houston, Phoenix, New York, Orlando Magic, and Toronto were all interested in George Hill. You can go through the list here:
                http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2012/

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                • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                  Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                  I think people are really jumping to conclusions way too quickly, it's only the 2nd day of free agency. Not surprising the Lance haters are out in full force, they always are when his name comes up.

                  Lance should have turned the deal down, it was way too low. Avery Bradley got 8 million. Ariza is gonna get more than that. Hayward is getting a max offer. Lance is better than all those guys. None of them have ever been a starter on a real contender. He has been a key cog in one of the best teams in the league for two years.

                  He deserves 10 a year at the very least. And I think we will give it to him by making a move or two to clear some space. Mahinmi could draw some interest. Watson could get some looks. Copeland could be intriguing to somebody. We can still cut Scola loose. I would think Scola has some value on the trade market so we might get out of all 5 million of his deal.

                  Larry Bird didn't spend 4 years molding Lance to watch him walk and possibly go to our biggest division rival over a couple million per year.

                  And as long as we keep him, I like our approach this year. I like Miles as a shooter off the bench who can play two spots. This euro guy is a bit of a mystery but he looks pretty skilled offensively from what little I've seen of him. We needed better shooting and we seem to have addressed that. We will see what happens.

                  I would really like us to move Watson and make some room for Jameer Nelson to play that backup PG. He could be a big veteran presence for us and he has got some gas left in the tank.

                  If we can move Scola and and maybe Watson, we'd have enough to bring back Lavoy Allen, Lance and maybe add Nelson as well.

                  And for the coup De Gra. Move Ian as well. Please.

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                  • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                    Originally posted by dal9 View Post
                    Or maybe Lance didn't grow up a fisherman. Shocking for someone from BK, I know.
                    And he did play in Hibbert's charity ball game a few nights ago.

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                    • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                      Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                      Did we see much of an aggressive Hill before Lance became a factor on the court?

                      All I remember is he was just as passive then as he is now. Sort of " Wake me up when he finally gets the ball down the floor."
                      14.2 PPG 4.7 AST
                      13.8 PPG 4.6 AST

                      Guess which one is hill

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                      • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                        Originally posted by ThA HoyA View Post
                        14.2 PPG 4.7 AST
                        13.8 PPG 4.6 AST

                        Guess which one is hill
                        THANK YOU. Smh

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                        • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                          Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                          I think people are really jumping to conclusions way too quickly, it's only the 2nd day of free agency. Not surprising the Lance haters are out in full force, they always are when his name comes up.

                          Lance should have turned the deal down, it was way too low. Avery Bradley got 8 million. Ariza is gonna get more than that. Hayward is getting a max offer. Lance is better than all those guys. None of them have ever been a starter on a real contender. He has been a key cog in one of the best teams in the league for two years.

                          He deserves 10 a year at the very least. And I think we will give it to him by making a move or two to clear some space. Mahinmi could draw some interest. Watson could get some looks. Copeland could be intriguing to somebody. We can still cut Scola loose. I would think Scola has some value on the trade market so we might get out of all 5 million of his deal.

                          Larry Bird didn't spend 4 years molding Lance to watch him walk and possibly go to our biggest division rival over a couple million per year.

                          And as long as we keep him, I like our approach this year. I like Miles as a shooter off the bench who can play two spots. This euro guy is a bit of a mystery but he looks pretty skilled offensively from what little I've seen of him. We needed better shooting and we seem to have addressed that. We will see what happens.

                          I would really like us to move Watson and make some room for Jameer Nelson to play that backup PG. He could be a big veteran presence for us and he has got some gas left in the tank.

                          If we can move Scola and and maybe Watson, we'd have enough to bring back Lavoy Allen, Lance and maybe add Nelson as well.
                          Its laughable that someone is a hater if they dont want to overpay Lance to stay on the team. You're right, he may not be leaving as its early in FA. But being okay with Lance leaving the team is no different than those who want to see Hill and or Roy gone.

                          Also I think and hope Larry meant what he said as far as sticking to his contract offer. It's more than fair for Lance's production. Those guys you mentioned weren't on winners because they werent surrounded with the talent that Lance was (sans Ariza) put any of those guys on this team in Lance's place and theu contribute just as much; just in a different way and without the stupid antics and chemistry issues
                          Last edited by Ace E.Anderson; 07-02-2014, 07:40 PM.

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                          • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                            Originally posted by immortality View Post
                            Sure, I guess Rick Carlisle wasn't enough motivation for DC when he couldn't start for the Mavs over 38 year old Mike James, he then had to take a 1.8 million contract with the clippers, he has shown he isn't a starter, but more of an energy guy, which is his ceiling.

                            At that time I bet Houston, Phoenix, New York, Orlando Magic, and Toronto were all interested in George Hill. You can go through the list here:
                            http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2012/

                            I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU BET! I wanted answers! Obviously, you have none. BECAUSE not one of those teams offered Hill an offer sheet to sign, case rested.

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                            • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                              Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                              I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU BET! I wanted answers! Obviously, you have none. BECAUSE not one of those teams offered Hill an offer sheet to sign, case rested.
                              they were never able to make him an offer

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                              • Re: Pacers Offered Lance 44 Million and he turned it Down?

                                Originally posted by Justin Tyme View Post
                                I COULD CARELESS WHAT YOU BET! I wanted answers! Obviously, you have none. BECAUSE not one of those teams offered Hill an offer sheet to sign, case rested.
                                How do you know they didn't offer him money ? How do you know they didn't contact his agent? Why do you make baseless statements without providing proof? If you want to spend time and prove me wrong then go ahead, but at least provide proof on all these things you say.

                                Since you have no proof either, we can argue about ******** things all day long, but the fact is he got a fair contract back then with the old CBA, now has he lived to that contract no, but it doesn't mean the contract was not fair.

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