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    Lance really takes away from Roys game in countless ways.
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    Citation needed
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    Also if Lance signs with the Hornets the first game against them next year I hope PG matches up against him and destroys him

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    So Charlotte offers 9 or 10 million a year for 2 or 3 years and that leaves about 20 million dollars on the table. How can an agent or player justify that?

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    Who is the spot up shooter to draw attention in that Charlotte lineup? Lance and Kidd Gilchrist on the wings sounds pretty gross to me from that standpoint. They just aren't a good match at all unless MKG makes a significant leap offensively. Meanwhile Lance and PG are such a prototypical match.

    I'm assuming Lance will not be back now, I don't think he would meet with them unless they have already confirmed they are willing to top our offer.

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    You will see the Hibbert of the 2012-2013 season if we don't re-sign Lance. Lance really takes away from Roys game in countless ways. Also I'd rather pay a defensive specialist in Hibbert 15 mil than someone like Hayward or Parsons 15 mil... Roy will turn it around this season and this is coming from someone who isn't a big supporter of Roy, but I still think he can return to his old self
    Not just a specialist, but someone you can design the best defense in the game around. He is a defensive anchor that makes everything else work.

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    So Charlotte offers 9 or 10 million a year for 2 or 3 years and that leaves about 20 million dollars on the table. How can an agent or player justify that?
    I think they will offer 3/36. It leaves 8 on the table, but returns Lance to free agency at 26 instead of 28.

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    So Charlotte offers 9 or 10 million a year for 2 or 3 years and that leaves about 20 million dollars on the table. How can an agent or player justify that?
    They believe he will get an even bigger contact in 2 or 3 years. Sometimes it is better to go with the short term deal in favor of future potential over the long term security.

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    You will see the Hibbert of the 2012-2013 season if we don't re-sign Lance. Lance really takes away from Roys game in countless ways.
    If you who watched what Hibbert produced late last year and were able to pin that on Lance, I just don't think we are seeing the same things when we watch basketball.

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    Lance has always been a bad teammate. This includes High School and College.
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    If you who watched what Hibbert produced late last year and were able to pin that on Lance, I just don't think we are seeing the same things when we watch basketball.
    Lance steals Roys rebounds and dribbles like a maniac for 18 seconds when he brings the ball up the court and rarely passes to Hibbert, and when he passes to Hibbert, Roy has to hurry his shot. Also how many times did Lance throw a bounce pass to Roys knees last year? I think it's just the little things with Lance that **** Roy off. It's like being on the pick up team at your local gym and you get stuck with that ******* who is a ball hog and never passes to you.

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    Lance steals Roys rebounds and dribbles like a maniac for 18 seconds when he brings the ball up the court and rarely passes to Hibbert, and when he passes to Hibbert, Roy has to hurry his shot. Also how many times did Lance throw a bounce pass to Roys knees last year?
    Wait a minute, so it is Lances fault that Roy forgot how to use his size and establish himself in the low post?
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    I think anyone watching the games could easily see Roy and Lance were not a good match last year. I think that is an undeniable fact. Whether it was Lance's fault, Roy's fault or somewhere in the middle (the correct answer here), they did not mesh well together as Lance took over decision making more. I don't think PacersPenguins is wrong to say that they did not play well together. A lot of the things Lance does didn't mesh well with Roy's game last year.


    However, I think it would also be a mistake to assume that just because of that the two of them could never learn to play together.

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    You will see the Hibbert of the 2012-2013 season if we don't re-sign Lance. Lance really takes away from Roys game in countless ways. Also I'd rather pay a defensive specialist in Hibbert 15 mil than someone like Hayward or Parsons 15 mil... Roy will turn it around this season and this is coming from someone who isn't a big supporter of Roy, but I still think he can return to his old self
    So we'll see a 44.8 FG% Roy instead of a 43.9% one? I can't wait until Lance leaves so that Roy can get that .9% back.

    Roy was his usual mediocre self on offense in 12-13. He just happened to morph into Hakeem against the Knicks and Heat in the playoffs, but that was the exception and clearly not the norm.

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    They believe he will get an even bigger contact in 2 or 3 years. Sometimes it is better to go with the short term deal in favor of future potential over the long term security.
    But if you blow your knee out, you might never get that bigger contract. It's a risk.

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    I think anyone watching the games could easily see Roy and Lance were not a good match last year. I think that is an undeniable fact. Whether it was Lance's fault, Roy's fault or somewhere in the middle (the correct answer here), they did not mesh well together as Lance took over decision making more. I don't think PacersPenguins is wrong to say that they did not play well together. A lot of the things Lance does didn't mesh well with Roy's game last year.


    However, I think it would also be a mistake to assume that just because of that the two of them could never learn to play together.
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    But if you blow your knee out, you might never get that bigger contract. It's a risk.
    Lance in a nut shell right now basically.

    It says something to me that Larry clearly is not willing to raise his number and we know how much he loves Lance.

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    Lance in a nut shell right now basically.

    It says something to me that Larry clearly is not willing to raise his number and we know how much he loves Lance.
    It is simple economics why he won't rasie the number. We don't have any more room with the LT.

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    It is simple economics why he won't rasie the number. We don't have any more room with the LT.
    He could cut Scola and Sloan and immediately be able to do it. He could have waited on Miles, He could have done any number of things to create the room. He chose not to.

    The team failing to make out of the conference finals 100% affected this decision. There would be a lot less debate about the LT or what we were willing to pay Lance had the team advanced further than it had previously. I think Bird learned something from not shaking up the core of that 2003-2004 team when he thought he maybe should have. And no I'm not speaking in brawl terms, remember the Pacers didn't exactly come out of the gate like gangbusters the year Ron returned from suspensions. They were barely over .500.

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    Also, let's be clear, it's not Roy's fault if Lance is not re-signed. As I just detailed there are plenty of other avenues and players that could be affected if we wanted to keep Lance.

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    Well what I said earlier, I think losing Lance helps Hibbert, but that's it. We will be a worse team by 8-10 games if we lose Lance. But I also don't think Bird/Walsh/Pritchard are going to sit back as the East gets significantly better while we got worse. Something will happen, just a matter of what.

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    He could cut Scola and Sloan and immediately be able to do it. He could have waited on Miles, He could have done any number of things to create the room. He chose not to.

    The team failing to make out of the conference finals 100% affected this decision. There would be a lot less debate about the LT or what we were willing to pay Lance had the team advanced further than it had previously. I think Bird learned something from not shaking up the core of that 2003-2004 team when he thought he maybe should have. And no I'm not speaking in brawl terms, remember the Pacers didn't exactly come out of the gate like gangbusters the year Ron returned from suspensions. They were barely over .500.
    We were never going to pay the LT under the new CBA they have been clear on that. I don't think much changed. If I am recalling correct Bird stated he was gonna offer Lance a number and not go above it dating back to mid season.

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    But if you blow your knee out, you might never get that bigger contract. It's a risk.
    It is a risk, doesn't mean a player might not see it as a risk worth taking as very few players actually blow out their knee.

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    So are some of you wanting to kick Roy/Bird if we don't re-sign Lance?

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