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    First of all, I haven't been on here much as of late. Reggie's retirement, while I knew it was coming, really took the air out of me, and just seemed to be the final nail in the coffin of this horrible season.

    To put it plainly, I've dreaded going to games lately. I played the good soldier and cheered like it was the playoffs post-11/19. I was patient with the team during the ups and downs, and was glad we reached my goals of being .500 when JO came back (12-12), and over .500 when Jack came back (20-19). Then, to put it succinctly, everything seemed to go to hell in a handbasket. Logically, I knew that we were losing because Tinsley was out, and I needed to wait until after the break to judge the team on it's merits, but emotionally I was too far spent to feel better about it.

    This week's been better, but I've been too busy with work to be on the board. Yesterday I had a nightmare day with a client, and was too exhausted to go to the game last night. I caught the tail end on tv, with Reggie hitting all the FT's, and thought it would have been nice to see, but talking to my sister, we agreed we'd already seen Reg hit for 30+ twice this year, so it was no great loss.

    Before I continue, this is what my sister wrote recently:

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    Before we reordered this year we really debated about what we should do. We were going to cut back to just half a year but the seats weren't up to Kegboy's standards.

    A couple weeks ago when we were at a game (and losing) I said something like I didn't think it was worth getting playoff tickets. I almost fell out of my seat when Kegboy agreed.

    While its not 100% official that we're not getting seats next year I don't see myself changing my mind. I don't blame Pacer management (although I make no bones about my near hatred of Larry Bird) and I certainly don't blame Ron. I'm sick of referees who are consistantly inconsistant and more or less insane. I'm tired of how the NBA handles things.

    I guess I'm just sick and tired.
    Personally, I was thinking it was about 75% chance that we weren't getting tickets next year. Between Reggie retiring, and the idea that I'm paying even a miniscule portion of David Stern and the ref's salaries, it seemed like maybe it was time to call it quits.

    Tonight, Pacers Sports and Entertainment did their best to push me out the door, and they succeeded.

    So, I get home from another nightmare day with the same client, and in the mail is a big folder from the Pacers. I think "well, they're finally hitting us up for playoff money", though I did note that that it was a big folder like they did for season tickets this year, not just a regular envelope like in years past.

    I'd had a bad enough week as it was, and resolved not to look at it. But tonight, it was just sitting there, and against my better instincts, a little voice in my head said, "what the hell."

    Inside it begins with a letter, which starts with the obligatory "Yeah, it's been tough this year, but thanks for your support". Then it gets interesting.

    For those who don't know, this is how it usually works. In February, they send you a bill for the entire playoffs. Since, hypothetically, the Pacers could play 16 home games, if they had homecourt through out the playoffs, every series went 7 games, up to and including the Finals. So yeah, it's a bit of a scam. Even in 2000 we only played 12. So, they end up sitting on a grand or two of your money over the summer, collecting a nice bit of interest when you think about how many season ticket holders there are, then apply that leftover money towards next year's season.

    As I said, that's a nice setup. But they just had to go and screw with it.

    Now, they want you to reup for next season by March 15th. The inclosed invoice has the full playoff run and next year's season on it. Since they don't expect everyone to come up with so much money so quickly, they divide the amount into 3 installments, payable March 15th, May 15th, and July 15th. Any playoff money left over would then apply towards the July payment.

    So, in affect, they want your money sooner. Instead of paying for next year's season in August, per usual, they want it asap. Interesting. Seems kind of strange they'd be doing this now, but whatever. I'm thinking, well, the invoice states that you can just reup for the playoffs, so I'm thinking I'd do that, and if we really do want tickets, we'll just reup for those later.

    Here's the kicker, though. The letter states that "Since we are asking for a commitment from you, we offer a commitment in return..." Yada yada. To be brief, they're increasing ticket prices next year, and if you reup for next season now, you won't pay the increase. Again, I'm thinking, "Ooo, what I can get my tickets at $30 as opposed to $32? No thanks, I'll just wait and decide later on what I want to do."

    So, I start thumbing through the packet. After the letter and invoice, there's a picture of Reggie from his rookie year, thanking him for his service. There's a sheet talking about account access on Pacers.com, which I've seen about 20 times. Then there's two pricing charts. One for if you reup before March 15th. One after.

    I think you know where I'm going here. My tickets go from $30 to $48, per game.



    That did it, right there. After everything that's happened this year, after all the **** we've all put up with, there is a ticket price increase coming up, and in some cases (like mine) it's massive.

    Now, to be fair, it could be said we had this coming. When Conseco first opened, we sat in 225, row 15. After a couple years, we moved down to row 11, which was the first row of the $32 seats. Last year, they changed things up, where they not only decreased those seats from $32 to $30, but they made the whole of 226 $30 as well. So, we jumped at the chance to sit in the front row, and have greatly enjoyed our seats. Even with the ****ty year, at least I've got a nice view of the Pacemates.

    But of course, it was too good to be true. Next year, the first two rows are going back to the $45 range, which is of course being increased to $48. We can't even move back to our old seats, because the $48 range has been increased in that section to the first half.

    So, that's it. I called my sister to confirm with her before I posted, and she was ready to call it quits when I told her they wanted to charge us for next season, before I even got to the price increase. She said something to the effect of "You can tell them to go **** themselves."

    When I look beyond the two of us, who granted were tetering on the brink of not coming back, this still looks like an unbelievably stupid move by PS&E. Taking a cursory look at the new price chart, most everyone's seats are going up by some amount, be it $5 or $100 per (the later being courtside seats, of course.) I was already thinking that the Pacers were going to see a major decline in ticket sales next year, be it Reggie retiring, Ron being an ***, David Stern being a bigger ***, it's more fun to stay at home and watch the smokin' Stacey Paetz, etc. But to pull something like this, on top of all that, it just makes no damn sense to me, whatsoever.

    Of course, I should note something. The letter I've described, it was not signed by Donnie, as has always been the case, but Larry Bird. Welcome to the new regime boys and girls.

    And for those who care, we are gonna get playoff tickets. As much as I don't want to give one more red cent, I'm not missing Reggie's last game.

    But hey, there's good news. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if they win the title next year. Murphy's law and all. But we got tickets this year because we thought this was "the year." We're not falling for that again.
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    That's sad to hear, Kegboy. Having sat in them once (thanks again for that), those really are good seats, especially at that price, and that's a hell of an increase (over 50%). Sorry to hear your Pacer spirit is weak right now. This season has kinda sucked, hasn't it?

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    s'ok, I'll be MORE than happy to fill those seats for 1-2 games a year....

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    That's sad to hear, Kegboy. Having sat in them once (thanks again for that), those really are good seats, especially at that price, and that's a hell of an increase (over 50%). Sorry to hear your Pacer spirit is weak right now. This season has kinda sucked, hasn't it?
    Well, now that we're finally to the break, I'm hopeful for the rest of the season.

    We've had a good run. 7 years. The last year at MSA, 2000 was just about perfect the whole year, we were members of the distinct minority who actually liked Isiah, etc. Going out with Reggie seems like a good thing to do. If Bender had lived up to my expectations this year, maybe it'd be different, but again, Murphy's law and all, I'm sure he'll be an All Star next year.
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    s'ok, I'll be MORE than happy to fill those seats for 1-2 games a year....
    We've had so many jackasses sitting around us this year, I thoroughly love the idea of you annoying the everliving **** out of them.
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    We've had so many jackasses sitting around us this year, I thoroughly love the idea of you annoying the everliving **** out of them.

    Couldn't be much worse than the idiot-crew in section 222.....

    One guy talking on his cell all game, another guy that REALLY needed to read a rulebook, and one guy that kept calling Brewer a "worthless bum"......

    I miss the lady in section 201 that kept calling for "intentional fouls" whenever a player was fouled deliberately.....

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    Couldn't be much worse than the idiot-crew in section 222.....

    One guy talking on his cell all game, another guy that REALLY needed to read a rulebook, and one guy that kept calling Brewer a "worthless bum"......

    I miss the lady in section 201 that kept calling for "intentional fouls" whenever a player was fouled deliberately.....
    Oh, we get stuff like that and worse just about every damn game. You know, it'd be alot more fun if we just had the section to ourselves. That's why we like the front row so much, at least we don't have anyone in front of us.
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    Couldn't be much worse than the idiot-crew in section 222.....

    One guy talking on his cell all game, another guy that REALLY needed to read a rulebook, and one guy that kept calling Brewer a "worthless bum"......

    I miss the lady in section 201 that kept calling for "intentional fouls" whenever a player was fouled deliberately.....
    I'll try and do better next time

    OK... It wasn't me... I swear... I heard the idiots as well. The only game they've been there for (when I've been there) was the Piston game.

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    I've been there.

    When the Pacers traded Brad Miller away I did not renew my tickets. I wasn't p!ssed because of what I thought was a God awfull basketball decision (because no matter how you slice it, it was) but I lived through bad decsions before. I was devastated because I thought the club had decided that even though they thought Brad Miller was that good they just were not going to pay him. To me that was an unfogivable mistake. If they aren't willing to dole out the Bucks for a player to take them to the top then I felt like I d@mn well wasn't going to spend my money on them just to watch them compete every year knowing that they would not ever do anything to take the next big step.

    I talked to my ticket rep on the phone & told him I was not re upping for the season & I even told him that I felt betrayed for the first time by the Simons. Then I read in interview with Herb Simon explaining that he would gladly pay the luxuary tax if he thought it meant winning a title but that he was told that we only had one player worth big $$$.

    I was still p!ssed at Walsh & I still am for that but at least I felt like the Simons were on board with trying to win, they were just going with what was told them by the guy they trust.

    Needless to say I had to crawl back on my knees to get my tickets back. My ticket rep. even save my seats for me but not without getting in the "I knew you would be back" dig.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is I understand.

    Games are not cheap by any means.

    I tried to get this from your sister the other day & she did reply but I kind of wonder if you could narrow it down for me.

    I know your disgusted with the entire season, as we all are. But would you say there is one reason more than any other that is making you feel the way you do about next season? Other than ticket price increase, cause I know you guys were contemplating not re-upping before we all knew this.

    Are either of you guys upset at all that management seems to have written off the season? We all did pay tickets for this season & I wonder if others ever feel a little cheated because we are just going to wait till next year?

    BTW, I was never a Thomas fan nor was I a Thomas basher. I was fairly neutral to him but I think he had a lot of crap thrown his way that he did not deserve. He was never given an easy group of players to work with & I think he was treated poorly by Bird when he came here. Which I find funny in a way because to me thats about the only thing Bird has done since he's been here. Well other than scout European games & highschool basketball games.


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    I moved down to the second row of the balcony this season, and I love the tickets. But if they go from $20 (I'm in the corner) to $xx, I may blow a gasket, too.

    Tina's getting tired of paying for regular season games we don't use. I keep them for the playoff tickets, and to have a good "priority number" if we ever get to move back to Indy, but that's an absurd price increase.


    If anything, they should be begging us all to re-up this season, not attempting to extort a large sum of money from us.

    I wonder if the threat of a lockout is playing into this? That was brutal the way they treated us last time, too. Oh yeah, there was the PR move to give us "simple interest" on our deposits. Blah.
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    Actually, when Kegboy called to tell me the news I told him to tell them "f you and the horse you road in on." Then at the end of our conversation he tells me Larry the Rat Ba$tard signed the letter. I think I have now been pushed across the line of hatred.

    Jay brings up a good point about a potential lockout. During the last lockout the team got to live high off the hog with the interest they got off of Kegboy's birthday gift to me. Yes they paid back what games were cancelled. Its always bothered me that they get to keep the interest on my money. But hey, I got that really cool Pacers Rally Band for FREE.

    And since we're on the subject of the lockout I hope they have one. I hope its really freaking long. The day after they have to cancel the whole season I hope ESPN radio interviews the NHL commishoner (provided there's still a NHL) so he can say what a bunch of idiots there are associated with the NBA.

    Do I sound bitter? I hope so.

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    Actually, when Kegboy called to tell me the news I told him to tell them "f you and the horse you road in on." Then at the end of our conversation he tells me Larry the Rat Ba$tard signed the letter. I think I have now been pushed across the line of hatred.

    Jay brings up a good point about a potential lockout. During the last lockout the team got to live high off the hog with the interest they got off of Kegboy's birthday gift to me. Yes they paid back what games were cancelled. Its always bothered me that they get to keep the interest on my money. But hey, I got that really cool Pacers Rally Band for FREE.

    And since we're on the subject of the lockout I hope they have one. I hope its really freaking long. The day after they have to cancel the whole season I hope ESPN radio interviews the NHL commishoner (provided there's still a NHL) so he can say what a bunch of idiots there are associated with the NBA.

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    Why are you so bitter, grace? Is this all stemming from the brawl? Who are you mad at? The team, or the league? Why, and if it's league, is it because of the suspensions, or...?

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    The whammy of playoff tickets and half season regular season tickets priced together is a little breathtaking and really gives one reason to pause and say what the flock am I doing.

    In my case, my two $65 half season seats, which I enjoy and value, are being raised to $70 a ticket next year. Not good, but not totally unexpected. But put that
    bill for two tickets of $2860 at the retro $65 price and add my playoff ticket package price of $2520 and the bill of $5380 gets way beyond chump change.

    I opened my envelope yesterday and scanned it seeing that the date to make a decision was March 15. I then put it away, confused that so much money was being asked for now.

    My first inclination was to not give the Pacers the outrageous playoff package which was priced nearly as high as next year's seats. I could take my chances later buying playoff tickets on the street or by single game ticket order. And only see a few playoff games live. Plus, by March 15, there will be a clearer picture, maybe, about where this team is heading this year and I could change my mind.

    One thing. I will renew my half season tickets for next year by March 15. I'm in for next season, the good Lord willing.

    While I haven't reached the outrage stage yet, I share some of your concern. At the very least, you'd think that the P's could have said, "as a reward for putting up with the crap this year, if you purchase the playoff package, your ticket prices will remain the same for next year" - and, not asked for next year's season ticket money until after the playoffs, as has been the previous tradition.

    What the hell are they thinking?

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    I am very much wondering how long it will take before they are changing this

    feedback is very important (is my guess) so no doubt lots of people will complain, that gathered with opinions on message boards might lead to a slight reversal fo the proposals
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    I don't want to leave the impression the P's are asking season ticket holders for all of the money for next year's season tickets and this year's playoffs now. It's only one third by March 15.

    There is also a $3 handling fee per order which is slightly irritating considering the amount of money the season ticket holder is being asked to spend with the Pacers.

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    I have one request for anyone who's a season ticket holder.

    Write a letter. Make two copies. Send one to PS&E, and one to

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    In all honesty, how could we not expect ticket prices to significantly rise?

    From last season to this season, there were marginal increases in ticket prices.

    We had so many free agents re-signing, the extra expense had to come from somewhere. And when you're looking at higher player salaries, the money is only going to come from one source. And that's the fans through higher ticket prices.

    None of us like it. Not even the owners. But it is a cold hard fact.

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    I'm also curious who Grace is mad at and why... Walsh? Players? NBA? Stern? Bird?

    ...Or a better question... What would you have liked to seen happen (after the brawl) that would've made you feel better? Or do you feel the fact there was a brawl at all is the root of your frustration?

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    We bailed on our season tickets a few years back. That too was a combination of things, but mostly it just didn't make sense to spend that much on entertainment anymore. We eat more dinners out now, go on more vacations, and still don't spend what we used to on Pacer tix. Of course, now we have to put up with Albert on TV, but that's another thread.
    I empathize with kegboy and grace. It's been a disappointing season and then to grab your money and hold it for months at a time is a crock.

    There was a Minneapolis team many years ago that ticked off their fans so much that they had to turn around and beg them to come to games.

    Remember when the Colts came to town and had a lottery for 55k seats with 200k applications turned in with full cash months before the season started?

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    Im getting season tickets or atleast Half-Season tickets next year for the first time..

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    Yes, you can add me on the ticked off list! I received my package in the mail yesterday and was besides myself with anger. I'm not mad that they are asking for the money, but more pissed off about the lack of notice I received for such a substancial amount of money. I know that $900 is a drop in the bucket compared to a lot of you that have higher priced tickets, but to ask me to come up with that in less then a month's time is rather unacceptable in my book. What do they expect me to do, go to the tree in the back yard and pluck off a couple $100's and send them in?

    I'm a first time season ticket holder just wondering is this how PS&E normally opperates?

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    I'm a first time season ticket holder just wondering is this how PS&E normally opperates?
    I haven't gotten my package yet but this seems very different than normal.
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    But would you say there is one reason more than any other that is making you feel the way you do about next season?
    I'd say it's more a combination of everything, but if you held me down, pointed a gun to my head and said "Give me one reason", it'd be Stern.

    When the suspensions came down, I wrote PTI's mailbag with a question. Here it is:

    Considering that many NBA analysts felt the Pacers were Detroitís stiffest opposition to repeat as champs, do you feel that David Stern, by decimating Indianaís roster with long-term suspensions, in effect rewarded the Pistons fans for instigating a brawl with another team?>


    IMO, that's exactly what he did. Hey, if he wanted to play hardball and toss Artest for the year, that's his right. But, in not finding the Pistons organization the least bit culpable, in placing 100% of the blame on our players, he in effect rewarded Pistons fans for being jackasses and punished Pacers fans for something they had nothing to do with. And don't tell me that John Green, et al., have to face the long arm of the law. Please. While I doubt any of us would assault a player, who wouldn't pay a $100 fine if it practically guaranteed a clear road to the finals.

    Unlike you, Peck, I don't think there's a "quick fix" for losing Ron. I'm firmly in UB's camp in that Artest is irreplaceable. So, when the arbitrator ruled that Ron was out for the year, that meant to us $3000 down the drain.

    I know what alot of you are gonna say. Don't punish the Pacers for something Stern did. Well, guess what? The Pacers are part of the NBA. The Simons sit on the Board of Governors. Stern reports to them. When you buy a ticket to a game, that money goes to the NBA, not the Pacers organization. It's just like going to see a movie, the movie theater doesn't get your money. Why else do you think concessions are so damn expensive.

    Plus, I'm just sick to death of the refs. Unlike UB, I think the officiating is ****. I've watched my fare share of basketball in my time, and I've never seen officiating this bad in the college or high school levels. All the traveling, lane violation, superstar calls, it's just assinine. I get just as pissed when we get a call we shouldn't, too. And guess what? The refs are part of the NBA too. It's not "Us vs. Them". They're all part of the same damn thing.

    So, as I've stated, the last straw was after everything, "Our" Pacers come to me and say, "Yeah, it's been a tough year, thanks for your support" then try and extort me for more cash. No thanks.

    Look, I'm still a fan. I still love the team and will continue to support them. But they're not getting anymore of my money.
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  25. #25
    woman without a team
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    Default Re: I am officially not getting Season Tickets next year

    First of all Midol doesn't work. Secondly, I can't blame the time of the month any more. I guess I'll just have to admit that I finally snapped.

    I can't say what finally pushed me over the edge. I think I was already there before Kegboy got his mail. I guess I just couldn't hold it in anymore and now all of you know what I've been keeping to myself for months.

    Kegboy and I tend to see eye to eye on most matters so unless you read differently from me you can assume his views are mine.

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