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  • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

    Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
    Bigger statement? Eh they had their chance to do it today and chose not to for their own reasons. I mean I get it but at this point any statement they make doesn't really make an impact.
    Wait, why not? I think their actions can potentially make a pretty big impact.

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    • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

      Originally posted by Natston View Post
      I think he is talking about young males (and an ex-Laker) versus an entire race, so prejudicial logic although awful is not racism. I was talking more in general about how racism is a magic catchall for everything.
      He said black people. You can try to compartmentalize his comments, slice 'em and dice 'em, whatever. But, to ignore the fact that he targeted black people is naive, at best. The two examples you say he gave were "young males" and "an ex-Laker". But, his issue was clearly that these two examples are black people, not that they were "young males" or " an ex-Laker", those two facts are secondary to their blackness.

      He is a racist. Straight up. Why excuse, explain or attempt to call him by any other name?

      A non-racist can be prodded all day, but will not make blatantly racist comments like Sterling did.

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      • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

        Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
        Bigger statement? Eh they had their chance to do it today and chose not to for their own reasons. I mean I get it but at this point any statement they make doesn't really make an impact.
        I think a statement made on their own court, Sterling's home court, would have much more of an impact than a road game in Oakland.

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        • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

          Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
          The league will take it out of the player's hands. This is going to be between the NBA and Sterling and the league has clauses that protect them against rogues like Sterling. The NBA will win in court and if Sterling goes to court the cheapskate won't want to pay the lawyers the millions it will take to win his case.
          As long as he tries to hold on to the team his fan base will continue to dwindle and FAs (blacks and whites) will be be disuaded from signing with him.
          Yeah the league will handle it, not sure about those specific clauses that say they can protest and sit out of a game, but yeah he already has lawyers, I'm pretty sure, he is a business man he will most likely look at the most profitable thing to do, just how I feel.
          Why so SERIOUS

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          • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

            Originally posted by Basketball Fan View Post
            Bigger statement? Eh they had their chance to do it today and chose not to for their own reasons. I mean I get it but at this point any statement they make doesn't really make an impact.
            They could have made a statement by not signing a contract to play for a guy who was a known piece of ****. Or I guess they could keep cashing those checks while making that guy even more money, but maybe play with some sort of symbolic headband or ribbon. That will show everyone they mean business.

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            • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

              Originally posted by Stryder View Post
              For those people earlier who were questioning how this conversation could have been recorded...check your laws. Depends on the laws where it occurred. Indiana law states that if I am a party to the conversation, then I can legally record the conversation without notifying the other party.
              Maybe so, but aforementioned recording cannot be used in a court of law as evidence.
              "Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end."

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              • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                The players have already said they are planning something else for game 5. Some of you need to chill.


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                • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                  Originally posted by Kemo View Post
                  Maybe so, but aforementioned recording cannot be used in a court of law as evidence.
                  I'm pretty sure Adam Silver has all of his bases covered.


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                  • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                    It's really unfair to the players and Doc to have this kind of distraction from their owner. I can't see anyway this doesn't hurt them on the court.
                    Why do teams tank? Ask a Spurs fan.

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                    • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                      So I wonder what happens after this season if Sterling is still the owner? Do all the players want to leave and refuse to play, does Doc just up and quit, lots of questions.
                      "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

                      ----------------- Reggie Miller

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                      • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                        interesting article from SI, last part focuses on some of what i was talking about.

                        http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...am-silver-nba/

                        Clippers players would send a powerful message to Sterling by boycotting a game. Such a maneuver, however, would be in direct violation of their employment contracts. The players would be suspended by the NBA and potentially face significant fines, especially since the NBA would have to refund money to those fans buying tickets. It is worth noting, however, that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits employers from fining individuals for opposing discrimination. NBA contracts can also not "contract around" civil rights protections, meaning NBA players who boycott games over an owners' racism may be protected under the law.

                        Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...#ixzz309sJgrhA
                        Why so SERIOUS

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                        • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                          Originally posted by Really? View Post
                          interesting article from SI, last part focuses on some of what i was talking about.

                          http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...am-silver-nba/
                          The Clips should just show up, but play like absolute garbage.....DeAndre should hoist up a bunch of 3 pt shots....CP3 should continuously dribble the ball off of this foot....Griffin should sow up in his Griffin Force outfit....etc.

                          /green
                          Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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                          • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                            Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                            How are you still here.
                            I simply pointed out the fact that there are people with IQ's greater than the collective IQ of this message board who feel the races are unequal due to separate evolutionary histories. As I stated, it's not a theory I subscribe to, as I think the science behind the notion (Neo-Darwinian Evolution) is as old and crusty as your tent-sized underwear, however, there are people who are completely rational scientific racists. Sookie's claim fails.

                            As for you, the fact that you chose to shoot the messenger is shameful, and shows what a petty, low-quality human being you are.



                            Originally posted by Kstat View Post
                            Because every time he gets banned, he just creates a new account.
                            Speaking of being banned, I'll be reporting/flagging every NBA game you upload, whether it be to Dropbox or any other online facility. I shan't allow you to violate the NBA's hard-earned intellectual property, you immoral common criminal.


                            Originally posted by PacersHomer View Post
                            You don't know what libel is.
                            Oh, indeed I do.

                            Legal Dictionary | Law.com

                            Originally posted by Law.com
                            libel

                            1) n. to publish in print (including pictures), writing or broadcast through radio, television or film, an untruth about another which will do harm to that person or his/her reputation, by tending to bring the target into ridicule, hatred, scorn or contempt of others.
                            You know, EXACTLY what shags did to me. He's lucky I'm a nice guy and didn't contact my team of lawyers.



                            Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                            Although I am a mere rat ( a King one, mind you), I've been studying a combination of animal behavior, developmental neuroscience, and evolutionary ecology for 6 years now, and am currently getting my PhD in the Psychology department at Cornell University. I would argue that, as a species, humans have reached a level of empathy and social cognition to think beyond these environmentally guided developmental differences. Gene flow between your races for thousands of years has made differences irrelevant, especially psychologically, and in fact peer-reviewed publications support that the faces of mixed people are scored as the most attractive in randomized surveys by you human folk. Your use of "inequality" is troublesome, and echoes eugenic philosophies of the Third Reich. Using your argument, I would say that developing in a racially homogenous environment could lead to one developing such disadvantageous ideologies.

                            Anyway, this is no sort of topic to be playing "devil's advocate" in. Or, art thou troll? Oh ****, art thou Sterling?!
                            Odd post.

                            It seems you accept the overriding thesis:

                            Originally posted by Ratking View Post
                            I would argue that, as a species, humans have reached a level of empathy and social cognition to think beyond these environmentally guided developmental differences.
                            So, you agree with the primary point: That the various races evolved in distinct environments, which has led to differences.

                            That's the entire foundation for scientific racism, you've just agreed with it, yet you simultaneously deny it.

                            Cognitive dissonance. Google it.

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                            • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                              Oh, I forgot to mention he has like 50 accounts here that are still active...I've got most of them blocked but I guess this one slipped through the cracks.

                              Originally posted by Jared Sullinger View Post

                              Speaking of being banned, I'll be reporting/flagging every NBA game you upload, whether it be to Dropbox or any other online facility.
                              You lead a pretty sad existence here, you know that, right? Your only role on pacers digest for years and years has ever been that of a troll and yet you seem to be obsessed with the attention you get from trolling.

                              PS don't bother replying to this. I won't be able to read it unless you keep signing in under a different account each time, at which point I'll have all 50 of them blocked by the end of this conversation.
                              Last edited by Kstat; 04-28-2014, 06:38 AM.

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                              • Re: HOLY CRAP! The one thing that will take the spotlight off Pacers collapse.....

                                I am not from USA, is this really THAT big of a deal? I literally couldn't watch game yesterday because of all this bull****, it ruined whole game and i turned it off after JVG long monologue about this crap.

                                In europe its well known that some people are deeply racist, there were plenty of accidents where black players were called names in games, terrorised and such.

                                I am COMPLETELY against racism, and when watching games i never think if its a black player or white or asian, you just watch sports and see humans, not races. Also i don't understand how this is such a big deal ? Seems like an old guy just jelous of his GF banging black guys, why he say he love black people.

                                Theese playoffs were the best in a while, all 8 matchups are fun to watch except heat-cats and this crap ruins it so much for me.
                                Also media just feast on this, they will make this **** as big as possible.

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