That's more than I expected.
Ok, I have been quite harsh on Turner in the past, but he really was a bad fit here. Maybe he would look better in a different environment Boston seems like an odd fit though, they already have a bunch of wings who can't shoot.
He fit quite well as a starter. Coming off the bench wasn't working for him. He's too talented to come off the bench first of all. Second of all, we gave him no bench pieces worth his talents. Ian couldn't shoot, Scola was injured old, and slow and that affected his game. He dimed CJ quite well (especially in the OKC game). But teams are not gonna let CJ just continue to be out there putting up 3's. And Lance wasn't a great shooter and also was a mirror image of Evan. Er go, Evan didn't have what he needed around him to even create a remotely effective bench persona.
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That's weird. I'd be pretty surprised if we made a trade now, before the season I mean. But no doubt Agness is more in touch with the situation.
I've moved on from trading Hibbert unless we can get Monroe. Would be easier to deal West for a replacement. I see Dragic or Reggie Jackson in our future by the way. Darkhorse would be one of Houston's point guards. Daniels or Canaan.
A REAL DARKHORSE........ Rondo. And also Bledsoe (because of his contract demands), and Knight (Milwaukee).
POssible Pacers trade targets according to grimp: Everyone.
The fact that the FO tried for Goran weeks ago? Indicates they're going in a very high direction. I think if Phoenix does pay Bledsoe his money? Goran is as good as gone. Then again, Rondo is also as good as gone in Bean town. Problem is, we can't deal a Hibbert to Boston for Rondo unless we get a center back. In a possible scenario like this, how do you feel about Zeller, Sullinger? It could also be West who's dealt there.
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Last edited by dal9; 07-21-2014 at 10:58 PM.
I still don't see how you CAN make a trade. There's PG and Dwest who have value. PG is untouchable, unless it's a Durant-type. DWest is your leadership/foundation/braun. Then CJ Watson, on a much smaller scale. Everyone else is 'even' at best (GHill) or negative (Roy). There's no one else. A middling draft pick too. What's that get you?
Only thing I can think of is if you move DWest for a Point Guard, but then you have a gapping hole at PF.
Let's pretend the Suns would take GHill and DWest and #1 for Dragic or Boston for Rondo. What then? The poo poo platter of Scola, Copeland, and Lavoy Allen as your PF rotation? You'll have lost 3 starters from an ECF team and got a stud PG who will have to be resigned to a max contract.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have a true Point Guard here, but at what cost to the team.
I just can't think of something that makes you better.
Better to wait until the trade deadline and A. see what you have B. maybe have more value from Roy playing better/expiring contracts (in 1.5 yrs.)
Last edited by Speed; 07-22-2014 at 07:05 AM.
It will be very hard for the Pacers to maximize trade value for Hibbert, West or Hill this offseason. I see next offseason or even the 2016 trade deadline as the most likely time for something bigger to happen. Any smart trade this offseason likely has to include moving one of the back-up 4's or maybe Watson for another complimentary player.
We don't have much of value other than expiring contracts, but Watson, Copeland and Scola add up to $10 million that will come off the books at the end of the season. If reports about Chris Singleton are to be believed, then Solomon Hill might be on the table in trade talks too. Add a 1st round pick, and you might be able to get somebody decent, but I really don't see it.
For those looking to trade with Boston, the Celtics already have 18 players on their roster. Three of those players are on non-guaranteed deals, though, so if they don't trim the roster through trades, they'll probably just cut them. I doubt they'd take our expirings and extras for Rondo.
Singleton would be a nice defensive wing off the bench to give George a breather against the great perimeter wings.
Let's pretend the Suns would take GHill and DWest and #1 for Dragic or Boston for Rondo. /QUOTE]
Are you pretending both Hill and DWest don't have a total of 20 mil in salary when Dragic salary is 8 mil? Then you want to add a 1st too? As much as I'd like to get Dragic, that's way overpaying.
Maybe you meant EITHER Hill or DWest and a 1st. If so Hill's salary matches up fine with Dragic, but DWests doesn't. That means the Suns would have to send a player back, or if they are under the cap a TE. I'd jump all over the Hill and a 1st deal, but I'm not going top pretend the Suns would.
Why did Charlotte let Josh McRoberts go to Miami for $5.3 million a year and then turn around and pay Marvin Williams $7 million per? Is Williams supposed to be better than McRoberts?
Better yet, why has every team he's played on either traded him or not re-signed him? Portland, Pacers, Lakers, Magic, and Charlotte. Miami will be his 6th team since being drafted in 07. What is it about him that teams don't keep him?
I wonder what it would take to get Goodwin from the Suns as a future replacement for Stephenson? He was a 29th pick in 013 out of KY. He's on a cheap rookie contract.