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    Frank Vogel: "I think this has been my approach every year, whether you're a front-runner or an underdog," Vogel said. "We have everything we need to compete at the highest level."

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    I understand why this is debatable, but I think that Frank's claim is realistic or nearly realistic rhetoric.

    In my view, after Cleveland and Chicago, the next 10 or possibly 11 teams are not far from equal, and any of them could end up in the second round of the playoffs. Getting beyond that would be akin to the Miracle Mets of yesteryear winning the World Series. If we can use that as a standard, anything is possible: Philly anyone? Okay, I won't go that far!

    Much depends on how this year's Pacers gel, and whether they are able to find a winning strategy to best utilize the talents and balance the limitations of their utility players.

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    I think it's just Vogel being Vogel. I do think we'd make a decent run at making the playoffs, but that's about it.

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    Vogel has a chance to actually have a team play as "one" this season. Last season, both Stephenson and Paul George, were known to be ball hogs.
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    I think he is more talking about his demeanor to how he coaches more than whether or not he believes that is factually true.

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    George Hill will get a shot at being the star of the team.... How well he succeeds will determine what the Pacers accomplish this year.
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    Vogel has a chance to actually have a team play as "one" this season. Last season, both Stephenson and Paul George, were known to be ball hogs.
    This. The Pacers have a chance to be a more team than individual players next season. Pretty much everyone are unselfish guys that are both willing a able to pass the ball. I would not be surprised that the Pacers are a team that is better than the sum of its parts next season.

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    Pretty much everyone are unselfish guys.....
    Has anyone verified this with Roy?

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    Has anyone verified this with Roy?
    Seriously, lol. I can't wait for his awful and awfully selfish jump shots. "I don't have enough points, time to chuck a 20 footer!"

    Also, I'm not sure we have "willing and able" passers.

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    What is Vogel supposed to say? "We lost good players so we will suck?"

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    George Hill will get a shot at being the star of the team.... How well he succeeds will determine what the Pacers accomplish this year.
    If George Hill is the star of any team, they will be a lottery team for sure. Matter of fact I'm sure they wouldn't even be a NBA team. Maybe a CBA team at best.

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    If George Hill is the star of any team, they will be a lottery team for sure. Matter of fact I'm sure they wouldn't even be a NBA team. Maybe a CBA team at best.
    If you are this bitter about losing Lance Stephenson you should go be a fan of the ****ing Bobcats, and get off this board.

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    Frank Vogel: "I think this has been my approach every year, whether you're a front-runner or an underdog," Vogel said. "We have everything we need to compete at the highest level."

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...-weightlifting

    I understand why this is debatable, but I think that Frank's claim is realistic or nearly realistic rhetoric.

    In my view, after Cleveland and Chicago, the next 10 or possibly 11 teams are not far from equal, and any of them could end up in the second round of the playoffs. Getting beyond that would be akin to the Miracle Mets of yesteryear winning the World Series. If we can use that as a standard, anything is possible: Philly anyone? Okay, I won't go that far!

    Much depends on how this year's Pacers gel, and whether they are able to find a winning strategy to best utilize the talents and balance the limitations of their utility players.
    I suppose you could look at it this way. They are all professional athletes, they are 15 of the best basketball players on the planet who beat out hundreds of others. In theory, if they play in a good system, they can win. And they have a CHANCE of winning it all. All teams do.

    Then the season starts and reality sets in.

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    If George Hill is the star of any team, they will be a lottery team for sure.
    This is slightly pessimistic but not completely out of the realm of possibility. GHill is more competent than most give him credit for, but he isn't going to be a franchise player.


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    Matter of fact I'm sure they wouldn't even be a NBA team. Maybe a CBA team at best.
    This, though, is patently ridiculous.
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    This is slightly pessimistic but not completely out of the realm of possibility. GHill is more competent than most give him credit for, but he isn't going to be a franchise player.




    This, though, is patently ridiculous.
    Oh really name 1 nab team Hill could be the star of

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    Oh really name 1 nab team Hill could be the star of
    Guess you got us there.

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    If George Hill is the star of any team, they will be a lottery team for sure. Matter of fact I'm sure they wouldn't even be a NBA team. Maybe a CBA team at best.
    Well I guess we could be a CBA team this year

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