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    Little left in Atlanta
    NBA Columnist Ira Winderman

    Thoughts on the passing of the NBA trading deadline:

    Perhaps the Hawks' incoming owners are being prudent in holding off on their purchase of the franchise. Soon there might not be anything left to buy.

    Two weeks ago, the Hawks had assets in Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Theo Ratliff and Dan Dickau.

    But now, after first trading those three to Portland for Rasheed Wallace, precious little remains.

    After forwarding Wallace to Detroit, all Atlanta has left to show for Abdur-Rahim, Ratliff and Dickau is the sum total of about $20 million in cap space and a mid-first-round pick in this June's draft.

    And for this Hawks Director of Basketball Operations Billy Knight is being lauded?

    The draft pick, which initially belonged to Milwaukee, came courtesy of Detroit. Otherwise, the fallout in Atlanta has been nothing but the expiring contracts of Wesley Person, Bob Sura, Chris Mills and Zeljko Rebraca.

    Considering the failures in recent years on the free-agent market by Chicago and Utah, what exactly does the cap space guarantee?

    Especially in an arena where ushers and vendors make up the majority of the attendance.

    With the likelihood that Kobe Bryant and Kenyon Martin aren't headed to Philips Arena, does adding Quentin Richardson this summer as a free agent make it all worthwhile? It's not as if the free-agent class of '04 gets much better.

    "You want to have flexibility," Knight said. "Some people are saying, `Oh well, they're going after a max-out free agent.' It doesn't necessarily mean that. It just means that it could happen if we wanted to."

    Certainly, the chemistry of Glenn Robinson, Abdur-Rahim and Ratliff was a disaster. But what the Hawks have left themselves with doesn't set up as discernibly better.

    As Detroit moved closer to securing Wallace, the thought was that the Pistons merely were renting a contributor for a playoff run. The priority remained freeing enough salary-cap space to eventually retain forward Mehmet Okur, an impending free agent.

    Now that the Pistons have Rasheed, who also is an impending free agent, that thinking could change.

    Under cap rules, had Detroit not cleared cap space by dumping Chucky Atkins, Sura and Rebraca, it would have been unable to offer Okur more than about $5.1 million for next season.

    Now, those restraints are gone -- but only if the Pistons renounce their offseason rights to Wallace.

    And that's where it gets tricky.

    Under salary-cap rules, the only way the Pistons could retain their rights to extend a market-value contract to Wallace would be to place a salary hold on their cap at about $25 million. That would again limit the maximum they could offer Okur to what is expected to be a league-average $5.1 million salary for next season.

    Ultimately, these final two months of the season could have Wallace and Okur competing for a single payday in Detroit. Then again, if Wallace produces his typical numbers, it could moderate Okur's productivity to where his value would fall into the $5.1 million range.

    One thing is certain: Wallace will not be the one taking the $5.1 million from the Pistons. He could get that same mid-level salary-cap exception from New York, his preferred destination.

    Then there is Danny Ainge and his bizarro world in Boston.

    Yes, by agreeing to be the third wheel in the Atlanta-Detroit Wallace deal, he secured an additional first-round pick. But at the time of the trade, that pick acquired from the Pistons stood at No. 22, a spot that yielded the mighty Zoran Planinic last year.

    To get that pick, Ainge had to take on Atkins' additional two seasons, at $4.2 million next season and $4.5 million the year after.

    In addition, Ainge had to send former Heat guard Mike James to Detroit.

    Pistons President Joe Dumars said James was more than a throw-in.

    "Don't fall asleep on this guy," Dumars said. "We really think he's going to be able to help us."

    THE FALLOUT

    Atlanta made few friends by gifting Wallace to Detroit. In fact, Nets President Rod Thorn tried to preempt the trade by warning the Hawks that they would be getting fleeced. Remember, with a better record, Detroit would get second-round homecourt advantage over New Jersey, even if the Nets emerge as a higher playoff seed by virtue of an Atlantic Division title. ...

    One other issue regarding the Hawks' questionable approach: Why, if they were looking to move Wallace, did they play him Wednesday in New Jersey in what turned into a one-game Atlanta career for the forward? Were his 20 points in a loss so necessary that it was worth risking injury and the loss of the draft pick eventually received in the trade? ...

    Speaking of Wallace, the Elias Sports Bureau could find only two other instances when a player was traded after playing just one game with a team (Robert Archibald with Orlando earlier this season and Cadillac Anderson with New Jersey in 1991).

    ON THE OUTS

    The Jazz wasn't able to lose Greg Ostertag at the trade deadline, but it almost certainly will during this summer's free agency. Eleven total rebounds over a recent three-game span hardly sat well with coach Jerry Sloan. "If you're going to be seven feet tall, you can't play like you're 6-1," Sloan said of the 7-2 sloth. "I don't know what else I have to say or do. I'm not going to beg. I'm not going to kiss his feet to play. I'm not going to go that far. But I will kiss anywhere else he needs kissed if that will help him play." ...

    Magic forward Gordan Giricek, after scoring 15 points in Wednesday's home victory over Utah said, "I hope this game was good enough to stay here. We'll see." It wasn't. He was dealt a day later to the Jazz for guard DeShawn Stevenson. The Magic received interest from seven teams regarding Giricek, including East front-runners New Jersey, Indiana and Detroit. ...

    As a reserve on a seven-year, $51 million deal, Pacers forward Austin Croshere appreciated his chances of being dealt were slim. "I haven't even bothered looking on the internet this year," he said, back home in Indiana at least for the balance of the season.

    BREAK TIME

    While the NBA agreed to extend the All-Star break from four to five days next year, as the final tradeoff for the extension of the first round of the playoffs from best-of-5 to best-of-7, the benefit will be minimal unless the extra day comes after the All-Star Game. This year, with only one day off between Sunday's late game in Los Angeles and the resumption of the schedule Tuesday, Ron Artest, Allen Iverson and Shaquille O'Neal all missed practice the day after their appearances at Staples Center. With two days off after the All-Star Game, it would give participants a travel day as well as a day of practice. ...

    And why was Artest late getting back to Indiana? Because after being pampered with private jets throughout his career, he did not realize he couldn't simply walk to the counter immediately before the flight he wanted, grab a ticket, and head to his seat. He had given up his seat on a Pacers charter to travel with his wife and children. ...

    Omitted from the Rookie Challenge, Darko Milicic apparently had his own All-Star Weekend moment, after all. Yes, that was the Pistons forward you spotted on South Beach in a Bentley, rented for $1,000 a day. Considering the No. 2 overall pick in last June's draft is only 18, we could imagine the cost of the insurance waiver. ...

    Forward Keith Van Horn was at Disney World during the break with friends when he learned of his trade from New York to Milwaukee for Tim Thomas. "It was my daughter's fourth birthday and I was getting ready to take her to a birthday party with Cinderella," he said, his New York slipper suddenly no longer a snug fit. ...

    Thomas also was in the state when the deal went down, enjoying the break in South Florida. In fact, the day before the trade was made official, he ran into Knicks nut Spike Lee. The first thing he asked me was, `Are you ready to come home?'" Thomas, a New Jersey native, said. "I looked at him like he was crazy, and I said, `Of course.' The very next day, I get the call." ...

    The trade for Thomas inflated the Knicks' payroll from $91 million to $94 million. When factoring in the overall payout including the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, the total charges run close to $135 million.

    TEMPERS FLARE

    That Vince Carter was injured last week while defended by Bruce Bowen hardly was a shock. The Spurs forward had a nifty takedown of the Raptors forward while with the Heat a few years back, and the two were called for dual technicals in first Spurs-Raptors meeting this season. This time, it was a severe ankle sprain for Carter. "The question was, was it an accident or was it on purpose?" Carter said. "It's not very often you see someone put their foot up under you like that." ...

    Whether or not Gary Payton tried to take a bite out of Golden State's Speedy Claxton during Wednesday's dust-up, the Lakers' O'Neal got his shot in, referring to 5-8 Eric Musselman as, "the little midget Warrior coach." ...

    With Kobe Bryant possibly headed elsewhere as a free agent this summer, O'Neal said he's not about to beg his Lakers teammate to stay. "If one wants to be here, then persuasion is not necessary," Shaq said. "I don't need my wife to come home and bring me flowers and be nice to me to get me to stay, because I already want to stay." He added, "Make sure you print that, so she reads that."

    NET-SCAPES

    Why life in the NBA is good, even when you don't ever hit the court: Cut by New Jersey before he ever suited up for a game (but not until after an ugly incident at a New Jersey hotel that had police involved), forward Eddie Griffin received $125,000 of his $371,000 contract as a parting settlement from the Nets. ...

    Ah, the humor of kid-coach Lawrence Frank of the Nets. The diminutive 33-year-old spent the All-Star break in Puerto Rico, growing a beard, of sorts. "I was trying to get into R-rated movies," he said.

    Ira Winderman can be reached at iwinderman@sun-sentinel.com. He can be heard this week on WQAM's Hank Goldberg Show at 5 p.m. Tuesday.

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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    I liked the fact that Ron flew back home with his family.

    Him missing a practice isn't a big deal to me because he's likes to practice, so he doesn't miss them on purpose.

    Ron Artest is a basketball junkie to the extreme, but even before basketball he's a family man. Winderman could have brought that out with this blurb. Instead he called him pampered which I think is a cheap shot!

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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    cheap shot for certain, the least "pampered" player i can think of with his background, just a wanna be writer trying to be a wanna be witty person, failing at all his attempts, there's a word for people that fail at everything they do


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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    sorry

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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    Typical writer painting with a broad stroke. I don't think Ronnie is pampered at all. He might be naive or he may not think things through as well as he should, but then saying that does not make a good article.

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    Typical writer painting with a broad stroke. I don't think Ronnie is pampered at all. He might be naive aor he may not think things through as well as he should, but then saying that does not make a good article.
    EVERY NBA player is pampered. Let's not kid ourselves here.

    With that said, I don't view this as a big insult. I think the writer was trying to make it out to be, but the fact is NBA players are spoiled and it's probably reasonable to assume most would forget you can't just walk up get a ticket and get to your seat on a normal flight like you do a personal plane.

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    Ron should not have been punished by the Pacers. Having to fly back with the wife and kids was punishment enough for missing the shoot-a-round. Glad I wasn't on that plane.

    [size=9:85774a0c69]Just kidding, I admire Ron for traveling with the family. Though I'd imagine the wife ordered it. [/size]

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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    Ira = mediot
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    I actually wrote the writer about his Artest comment. He replied. Here's what he had to say:

    "No, I wrote about a single moment and responsibility. I have written
    glowing pieces about Ron in the past -- from my work at this newspaper, to
    contributions for Sporting News and Sports Illustrated".

    Actually, I comment to these writers when I disagree with them. I almost always get nice responses. The only time I remember not getting an at least cordial response was Stephen A. Smith (not that I would expect anything else from him). Darren Rovell from ESPN.com was very, very nice-he wrote an article about Bob Knight that I gave him some insight and a source to go to for future Knight articles-again, very nice man.

    I wrote to Smith about his condemning the Eastern Conference and he replied with this:

    "You're not making sense. Consider the question that was asked.
    Just because I feel the East is weak and nothing they do means anything at the end of it all, it doesn't take away from what has transpired already in the IMMEDIATE scope of things.

    I don't see the difficulty in understanding that."

    Basically he was saying the East was a waste of time but he's always talking about the East-and I was sticking up for the Eastern Conference (obviously a weaker conference but getting stronger all the time). I thought his tone or how I took the tone that he wrote was unprofessional-plus I don't like the guy anyway.
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    There=many definitions-also known as the one to use when the other 2 (their, they're) do not apply

    Sorry but it bugs me when these are used incorrectly when I read posts on PacersDigest.com.

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    I actually wrote the writer about his Artest comment. He replied. Here's what he had to say:

    "No, I wrote about a single moment and responsibility. I have written
    glowing pieces about Ron in the past -- from my work at this newspaper, to
    contributions for Sporting News and Sports Illustrated".
    Glowing pieces about his game, maybe. But calling Ron Artest "pampered" seems rather uninformed to me. Two words: Best Buy.
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    Default Re: NBA Columnist Ira Winderman takes cheapshot at Artest

    i didn't read that paragraph as very critical of artest. more like pointing out that these nba guys could be so naive. different people read different things, i guess.

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