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This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

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  • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

    At this point, it's time to agree to disagree. Pretty much everyone have strong feelings about the impact of the trade, and no one is going to change their opinion.

    The irony of it all, no one really hates or logical not understand the actual trade itself. I don't recall reading a single post where people wished we would have gotten someone else.

    The trade will be a love/hate trade for most people. It is what it is.


    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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    • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

      Originally posted by Nuntius View Post

      Yes, Bird has upgraded the talent of the team. He did it this summer. He didn't need to trade Danny in order to further upgrade our talent since the team was already by far the best in the East. But he got a bit greedy and maybe panicked about not being able to keep Lance in the summer. The point is that this move seems like it backfired.
      We were never "by far" the best team in the East. There's no such thing as being "by far" better than a two time defending champ with one of the greatest players in the history of the league that knocked you out in the playoffs two straight years. What was our biggest lead on the Heat this season? 3 and a half or 4? I don't think it ever got to 5. We were never "by far" better than them, especially when you consider the fact that they have a guy in Lebron who can kick it into a Jordan-esque gear when he wants.

      Since 1994, the Pacers are just 1-6 in the Conference Finals. Larry Bird as coach was 1-2. He knows how incredibly difficult it is to take that next step to the NBA Finals, especially when you're going up against a historically all-time great in the prime of his career. In no way shape or form was it in the bag before the Granger trade. You should never be content when you're going up against a player as great as Lebron James. Turner certainly hasn't been what we hoped, but the logic of the trade still makes sense, especially when you consider that Granger hasn't even played in three weeks.

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      • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
        We were never "by far" the best team in the East. There's no such thing as being "by far" better than a two time defending champ with one of the greatest players in the history of the league that knocked you out in the playoffs two straight years. What was our biggest lead on the Heat this season? 3 and a half or 4? I don't think it ever got to 5. We were never "by far" better than them, especially when you consider the fact that they have a guy in Lebron who can kick it into a Jordan-esque gear when he wants.

        Since 1994, the Pacers are just 1-6 in the Conference Finals. Larry Bird as coach was 1-2. He knows how incredibly difficult it is to take that next step to the NBA Finals, especially when you're going up against a historically all-time great in the prime of his career. In no way shape or form was it in the bag before the Granger trade. You should never be content when you're going up against a player as great as Lebron James. Turner certainly hasn't been what we hoped, but the logic of the trade still makes sense, especially when you consider that Granger hasn't even played in three weeks.
        So, we're suppose to be scared of LeBron and the two championships? Forget history...statistically speaking, we were THE BEST TEAM in the LEAGUE through about late January. Technically, the Heat hasn't been that great themselves this season. The Pacers are just catching the most attention, because we thumped our chests about the number 1 seed, previous hype and praise, and how sharply we fell off the top.

        The Pacers has played as two completely different teams this season, and now we're wondering which team is going to show up for the playoffs.


        Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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        • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

          Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
          So, how do you explain the fact that the team started struggling after the trade? The splits indicate a pretty big discrepancy between how the team played prior to the trade and how they played after it.

          If the trade is not a part of it then what happened?

          PS: If every person in this forum is free to blame every single player of this team then I'm also free to include Larry Bird in the "blame game". It's extremely simple. Win as a team, lose as a team.
          Not everything has to be connected. But my point is that if the trade hasn't happened and Danny was setting on our bench hurt, would we really be better off? I think it is crazy to think that we would be.

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          • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            Paul George will be a 6 year player in two seasons. Will he be a veteran then? Absolutely not.

            Our definitions of veteran vary. I barely consider LeBron a veteran and that's only because he has already spent a decade in this league.
            Man! That is some kind of strict definition of veteran you've got there. By that definition, there would seem to be very few vets in the league.

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            • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

              Originally posted by BillS View Post
              It's not the mere fact of having been in the league x number of years, it's how other players see you and whether that trtanslates into being a locker room voice.

              I can't see Roy, with his tendency to navel-gaze, ever being the vet who stands up in the locker room and helps the team work out what's going on. Paul maybe, but the "best guy" on the team often can't tell why other players are struggling because they are so different - that's why great players very seldom make good coaches and GMs (and why Bird is such an impressive exception). West's leadership is being the tough cop - he needs a partner to make that work.
              Isn't that confusing "veteran" with "leader"? Certainly, you would want your vets to also be leaders, but that is not always going to be the case. Just a difference in personalities maybe.

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              • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                Ugh. There is just no getting through to some folks.

                They went through a slump. It's not forever. I don't think this sinks in at all with some folks. I now believe after the incessant *****ing that's been going on that a faction of people truly believe that the slump is not fixable, that it's our new "normal" level of play, and that it happened because of a handful of what they call "bad" decisions.

                It's a slump. It happened for a number of reasons. It's also very fixable, and likely already on the way to being fixed. Nothing that happened was a fatal blow. It was simply adversity.

                It's not all about Danny Granger. I'm getting absolutely tired of reading that people think that trade alone is what caused the slump.

                There were a number of factors going on, Granger being just one of them. There was the Paul George off-court drama. There was the SI cover. There was a lot of publications crowning the Pacers as best team in the league. There was Andrew Bynum's signing, which had a somewhat polarizing effect. There was a few injuries that jostled our roster up. There was Lance's All-Star snub, and then the All-Star game for PG and Roy.

                There's the fact that our team focuses more on two-way play than any other team, and that extra effort on defense really drains a player, and this team went at it so hard for the entire season and it eventually caught up with them.

                There is the fact that the best players on this team are also very young relatively speaking and just haven't been through what they are going through right now, which is being "the hunted", being "christened", being top dog. They are learning how to handle it. The coach included. There are going to be bumps in the road, but I can tell that these guys have the moxie to figure it out and they will. There are certain personalities and rosters that you can look at and say "yep, they don't have it." This Indy team has it, you just need to be patient as they figure it out.

                It all snowballed a bit. It was a mountain of factors, some of it physical, some of it emotional, some of it mental. We dipped... and we were still roughly a .500 team.

                That should show you how good this team really can be. We were playing to 50% or less of our capabilities, and still playing .500 ball. There are teams out there playing at 110% of their capabilities that aren't playing .500 ball.

                This team start playing at a decreased level (and yet still won) around the first of the year --- well before we traded Granger. There are people spouting our records before/after his trade that seem to have amnesia about that. I noticed it, a number of folks noticed that we didn't look quite the same. But we were still winning, so most people and critics turned the other way. Granger was not the reason we started playing worse.. it was all that other stuff. Distractions were what they really were, and young folks tend to be affected by distractions much more so than seasoned veterans who have learned how to maintain their focus and avoid or ignore the distractions. David West is probably the only guy who has that wisdom on this team, and Rasual Butler... CJ Watson also seems level-headed. The rest of those guys are all young and bucking and still out to have fun. Granger's departure was actually the last of all those events that took place. I'm sure they miss him, but he alone is not why this team got away from playing winning basketball, and they will (are) figuring out how to return to that level of play. They did a lot of amazing things without Granger being on the court the past few years... and to think that he had that big of an impact by simply being in the locker room, imo, is silly.

                I dont' think Bird made any wrong moves... this team collectively just sorta lost it's mojo for awhile, it happens. I think that adversity, once they get through it, will just bring them together more so.
                Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-16-2014, 09:59 AM.
                There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                  Don't forget that the Pacers also had 18 games in the month of March, which is an absurd amount of games. March 11 and March 14 was the longest inbetween time for games from Feb 25 to Apr 6. A month and a half with a game pretty much every other day. Absolutely zero practice time, whatsoever. You get shoot-arounds, and that's it.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                    Originally posted by Tom White View Post
                    Isn't that confusing "veteran" with "leader"? Certainly, you would want your vets to also be leaders, but that is not always going to be the case. Just a difference in personalities maybe.
                    I think that's what people are doing. When most people say you need a "veteran" in the locker room, they mean you need a "veteran leader" in the locker room. By just saying "veteran" it leads to the inanity of "player (*x*) has been in the league 6 years, isn't he good enough to fill that role?"
                    BillS

                    A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                    Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                    • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                      It's not all about Danny Granger. I'm getting absolutely tired of reading that people think that trade alone is what caused the slump.
                      Mostly agree with what you are saying, but I'm getting pretty tired myself of people claiming the clamor is that the trade "caused" the slump when the majority of people still saying the trade had an effect have been very clear they feel the trade took away an influence that could have kept the slump from going as deep or being as long.

                      It's only the people arguing against the trade having an effect that keep claiming Danny's on-the-floor contribution was nil and there could not possibly be any other contribution he would make (or that any effect would be due to the immaturity and wimpiness of the team for crying about a trade).
                      BillS

                      A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                      Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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                      • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                        I completely understand that and was aware of it before you typed it out. But the entire point is that he is not the reason for this slump. To argue whether it "prolonged" our slump a few extra weeks, from 2 months to 2.5 months, is a waste of brain space. It's not the silver bullet argument for this slump.

                        And to be honest, I'll wager money when Evan Turner absorbs it all and starts to become a significant factor for us down the road, or perhaps plays a part in us acquiring a major piece, people will be changing their tune about the entire thing.

                        Evan Turner is the Pacer's version of the Colts' Trent Richardson --- getting a bad rap due to really tough circumstances. Both are really good players in their sports, they both need a little refinement and some time in the system, but I think both will be really good players.
                        Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 04-16-2014, 10:13 AM.
                        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                        • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                          Coaching and veteran influences are important, but the slump was always something that the starters were going to have to fix themselves. They've played together for a while and had a lot of successes. It was mostly up to the five of them to navigate their way out of it.

                          Kid, that was a good recap. I've never felt that they were going to be an early playoff exit. What made me furious during the slump was that I thought they were blowing the one seed, but thankfully they somehow kept it thanks to Miami also playing like crap. I can't wait until the ECF's when we have that nice advantage.

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                          • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                            Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                            I completely understand that and was aware of it before you typed it out. But the entire point is that he is not the reason for this slump. To argue whether it "prolonged" our slump a few extra weeks, from 2 months to 2.5 months, is a waste of brain space. It's not the silver bullet argument for this slump.

                            And to be honest, I'll wager money when Evan Turner absorbs it all and starts to become a significant factor for us down the road, or perhaps plays a part in us acquiring a major piece, people will be changing their tune about the entire thing.
                            You might think so, but I think it say's a lot about the unwillingness to even acknowledge the role, however slight it may be, that Danny provided for the Pacers.
                            Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                            • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              You might think so, but I think it say's a lot about the unwillingness to even acknowledge the role, however slight it may be, that Danny provided for the Pacers.
                              Acknowledge what? That he was a locker-room glue guy? I never said he wasn't. I just weigh that versus the current situation and realize it shouldn't and probably doesn't have near the impact that some folks on here are making it out to be. All this "heart and soul" talk is silliness. He was a good guy, he was a good presence, but this team will move on.
                              There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              • Re: This should be interesting.... (Channel 6 to air Larry Bird "State of the Pacers" interview before NBA Countdown tomorrow)

                                Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                                I completely understand that and was aware of it before you typed it out. But the entire point is that he is not the reason for this slump. To argue whether it "prolonged" our slump a few extra weeks, from 2 months to 2.5 months, is a waste of brain space. It's not the silver bullet argument for this slump.

                                And to be honest, I'll wager money when Evan Turner absorbs it all and starts to become a significant factor for us down the road, or perhaps plays a part in us acquiring a major piece, people will be changing their tune about the entire thing.

                                Evan Turner is the Pacer's version of the Colts' Trent Richardson --- getting a bad rap due to really tough circumstances. Both are really good players in their sports, they both need a little refinement and some time in the system, but I think both will be really good players.
                                If Danny being here to mediate in the locker room keeps the slump from deepening into the losing streak and leads to a bounce-back against top teams then we're probably not talking about "slump" with the same level of vehemence.

                                I understand the reasons for the trade and was generally, if not a bit reluctantly, in favor of it. But there are unintended consequences of pretty much anything, and I am convinced this is one of them.
                                BillS

                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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