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    Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

    Not gonna lie, Roy Hibbert had me over working the ESPN NBA trade machine. Sadly I could not come up with one single realistic scenario where I thought we could get rid of him.

    I’m telling you right now if you offered him straight up to the Suns for Miles Plumlee they would turn you down, how hard does that hurt?

    I intentionally did not post after the Bucks game. It felt good, it looked good but what I was afraid of was that it was putting channel # 5 on hog feces.

    I have no real answers btw, I’m just as baffled as everyone else is. What surprising is the fact that actually for 3 quarters we weren’t horrid but that 3rd quarter was just absolute crap.

    Look I am a Frank fan but did he really wait till Miami ran off 17 straight points before he called a time out? I don’t know for sure because I think I blacked out from the sudden need to huff model airplane glue. If that is the case then I’m sorry but that is fail on such an epic scale that the movie Ishtar might have been more successful.

    Once again I will profess what I professed at the gathering, I fear for Frank’s job.

    Someone has informed George Hill that he is not actually in the Matrix right? I mean I think he thinks everybody else is moving slow motion while in his mind he is whipping about faster than Skip to my Lou. I’ve seen three toed sloths that have more purpose and drive in them than George does at times.

    It wasn’t all bad thought, the final horn did sound so mercifully that ended.

    I know Frank can’t do it because it’s an ABC game but we just need to shut down players to end the season. Hell if this were January I would probably all for shutting down player to get higher in the lottery but we’re way past that now oh and we don’t even have a draft pick anyway.

    Also if I ever hear the words smashmouth basketball come out of any of our players or coaches lips again I will explode. As someone said in another thread our entire supply of tough pills went out the door when Danny left.

    How sad is it that I would actually be willing to offer Jeff Foster a contract right now, injured back and all, for him to come and be Ian’s backup while Roy goes and contemplates his naval or something, anything just get the eff away from here.

    We have nothing better to do so let’s just do some grades.

    Paul George: B+

    Paul the refs hate you so just let it go. Yes you get fouled but you also whined a lot so now you are a marked man in their eyes. Other than that, meh, he tried. I think it is clear that he is nowhere near LeBron’s category like some thought earlier in the year and right now I’m not sure where he ranks. But I won’t fault him for not competing.

    David West: A-

    Apparently the only player on our team that understands that he is actually taller and stronger than the majority of the Heat so therefore he actually tried on the glass. More than I can say for other big men on our club. However here is a problem with David and it always will be because of his lack of mobility. He will not even make any real effort to get the 50/50 balls and often times this really hurts. There were a couple of times tonight where I thought if we had a more mobile 4 we could have come up with the ball. But like Paul I’m not blaming him as he tried to compete.

    Roy Hibbert: F—

    I owe Jim O’Brien an apology.

    Lance Stephenson: B

    Again his is a quandary. He was once again by far the most efficient player on the floor however he also was responsible for several stoppages of the ball and offense tonight, in particular the 2nd quarter. On the other hand he had some brilliant passing to keep the ball moving in the 1st quarter, you explain it I can’t.

    George Hill: F-



    Not just useless he was actually a detriment as once again Chalmers beat him like a bass drum.

    Ian Mahinmi: A-

    Did what he was supposed to do, should have started the second half and frankly should just stare the rest of the regular season. He battled on the boards and gave a good foul.

    Luis Scola: A

    I don’t judge Luis on his defense because that would automatically make an A grade a C so I just look at other parts of his game and tonight he did everything we wanted him to do when we got him. He scored, he rebounded and he even made a couple of effort plays.

    C.J. Watson: A

    If only our starting point guard would play ½ as inspired as he does. I’d say we missed him terribly when he was gone and I’d be right but then you’d be right to say it didn’t make a bit of difference tonight. However hopefully he can help us beat the Bobcats or Wizards, whichever 7th seed we face.

    Evan Turner: D-

    Every bit as guilty as Lance is about stalling the basketball but without the decent shooting percentage to back it up.

    I’m not even bothering with the rest.

    Believe me when I tell you that I want the team to win. I want the playoffs to be a huge success and that we not only go to south beach and win but that we finally have the all ABA finals between us and the Spurs.

    However believe me when I tell you I am absolutely positively afraid that our season will end not in Dade County but in Mecklenburg County.

    God I hope I’m wrong.



    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13
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    Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

    Thanks for the write up, always appreciated
    ! Free Rick Sanchez !

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    • #3
      Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

      Vogel called timeout after Miami started the second half on a 7-0 run to make it 52-42. Obviously it didn't do much good as the Heat went on to score 9 more.

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      • #4
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        It seems like we have these "hey they are turning it around" moments quite a bit, only to be let down.

        We came back from 24 down @ Detroit and that was supposed to propel us. Wrong

        We beat Chicago at home, things were supposed to be better. haha

        We beat Miami at home, everything was supposed to be lolly pops and rainbows. We then lose at Washington, Cleveland and get drilled at home by the Hawks

        Our bench lifts everyone up and beats the Bucks and give the starters rest. High fives and fist pounds all around! We then have a "come to Jesus practice"! Finally!! ....then we proceed to get drilled.

        Something is broke my friends, it is that simple. Anyone thinking this ship will get steered in the right direction come playoff time just hasn't been paying attention. I am beyond mad and angry, I am just sad. After suffering through the Murphleavy years we finally built a team of quality guys who apparently liked each other and were pretty talented. We were on the precipice of the NBA Finals.

        Then, without warning strippers, selfies, catfish, pouting, magazine covers and lord knows what else just ruined it all. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted I guess.

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        • #5
          Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

          Originally posted by Peck View Post
          Evan Turner: D-

          Every bit as guilty as Lance is about stalling the basketball but without the decent shooting percentage to back it up.
          to be fair turner haad the sweet pass of the game per FSN. he got knocked to the floor one trip to the lane and no call. gotta love the officiating tonite. without HCA Pacers are up a creek.

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            Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
            It seems like we have these "hey they are turning it around" moments quite a bit, only to be let down.

            We came back from 24 down @ Detroit and that was supposed to propel us. Wrong

            We beat Chicago at home, things were supposed to be better. haha

            We beat Miami at home, everything was supposed to be lolly pops and rainbows. We then lose at Washington, Cleveland and get drilled at home by the Hawks

            Our bench lifts everyone up and beats the Bucks and give the starters rest. High fives and fist pounds all around! We then have a "come to Jesus practice"! Finally!! ....then we proceed to get drilled.

            Something is broke my friends, it is that simple. Anyone thinking this ship will get steered in the right direction come playoff time just hasn't been paying attention. I am beyond mad and angry, I am just sad. After suffering through the Murphleavy years we finally built a team of quality guys who apparently liked each other and were pretty talented. We were on the precipice of the NBA Finals.

            Then, without warning strippers, selfies, catfish, pouting, magazine covers and lord knows what else just ruined it all. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted I guess.
            I can't even imagine what it's like to be the guy that writes these player's checks and watches them pi** it all away because of selfish, immature reasons. Wow. Contemplate that for a moment.

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            • #7
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              I used to say when satan was our coach that we were the Miami dolphins of the NBA stupid gimmicky offensive Game plan that every once in a while would look genius against teams who aren't accustomed to deal with that kind of stupidity we'd catch teams off guard combined with some insane statistical outliers (see mike dunleavy 3rd quarter against Denver a few years ago.)

              But now id say we're more like the Dallas Cowboys and that makes me want to puke cause I hate the cowboys but plenty of talent, no heart, and just when you think they've turned a corner they prove you wrong.

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              • #8
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                Originally posted by TheDon View Post
                I used to say when satan was our coach that we were the Miami dolphins of the NBA stupid gimmicky offensive Game plan that every once in a while would look genius against teams who aren't accustomed to deal with that kind of stupidity we'd catch teams off guard combined with some insane statistical outliers (see mike dunleavy 3rd quarter against Denver a few years ago.)

                But now id say we're more like the Dallas Cowboys and that makes me want to puke cause I hate the cowboys but plenty of talent, no heart, and just when you think they've turned a corner they prove you wrong.
                Good observation. I actually miss the Cowboys of the 70's that did have heart and determination.

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                • #9
                  Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                  By the way......Slip Slidin Away....how great are some of those late 70's early 80's pop songs? As Greg Kihn says......they don't write em like that anymore.

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                    Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                    Originally posted by Peck View Post
                    Not gonna lie, Roy Hibbert had me over working the ESPN NBA trade machine. Sadly I could not come up with one single realistic scenario where I thought we could get rid of him.
                    Using the stretch provision on Hibbert frees up $9 million next year. Use part of it to keep Lavoy Allen. Use some more to sign another center. Use the rest to help sign Lance.

                    Of course we'd have to hire a new coach that would actually play Allen and the new center.

                    Not saying we're going to do that, but if there's a more productive center available for under $9 million then we have to consider it. It would be hugely disappointing to do that but it seems like a reasonable option if Hibbert can't be salvaged.

                    Just trying to give you a realistic scenario to get rid of him.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                      Vogel has run Hibbert into the ground. From a guy who two years ago couldn't play 30 minutes a game, and now because he *can* play more than 30 minutes, you feel you can...ride him more minutes than all but a few players in the league? Dude is 7 freaking 2. Has asthma. You know the feet are going to be a problem. And you run him out there every single night for huge minutes.

                      If Roy were a starting pitcher in baseball everyone would know to blame the coach.

                      The good news is that if I'm right, Roy will likely be a good-to-very good player again next year, after the summer off.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                        Originally posted by jjbjjbjjb View Post
                        Vogel has run Hibbert into the ground. From a guy who two years ago couldn't play 30 minutes a game, and now because he *can* play more than 30 minutes, you feel you can...ride him more minutes than all but a few players in the league? Dude is 7 freaking 2. Has asthma. You know the feet are going to be a problem. And you run him out there every single night for huge minutes.

                        If Roy were a starting pitcher in baseball everyone would know to blame the coach.

                        The good news is that if I'm right, Roy will likely be a good-to-very good player again next year, after the summer off.
                        Says the guy with the Hibbert avatar. How does him being run down as you say account for the fact that he routinely throws up stupid shots that have no chance of going in and can't out rebound guards at 7' 2"?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                          Originally posted by jjbjjbjjb View Post
                          Vogel has run Hibbert into the ground. From a guy who two years ago couldn't play 30 minutes a game, and now because he *can* play more than 30 minutes, you feel you can...ride him more minutes than all but a few players in the league? Dude is 7 freaking 2. Has asthma. You know the feet are going to be a problem. And you run him out there every single night for huge minutes.

                          If Roy were a starting pitcher in baseball everyone would know to blame the coach.

                          The good news is that if I'm right, Roy will likely be a good-to-very good player again next year, after the summer off.
                          Oh boy, this should get interesting!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                            Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                            Says the guy with the Hibbert avatar. How does him being run down as you say account for the fact that he routinely throws up stupid shots that have no chance of going in and can't out rebound guards at 7' 2"?
                            I have a counter to your clever avatar-based argument!: http://www.pacersdigest.com/showthre...t=#post1706744

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                            • #15
                              Re: Odd Thoughts: Slip Sliding Away

                              The grades are spot-on.

                              In Roy's defense, nobody could get him the ball when he actually got position in the low post. Lance tried but apparently does not understand Roy's physical limitations. The lack of rebounding is inexcusable, though.

                              That was Hill's worst game as a Pacer by far. Apparently he didn't get the memo that the 4-day rest period was over.

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