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Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

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  • #61
    Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

    Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
    Nuntius you are wrong. All the signs were there more than a month ago to predict this which alot of us did and were ridiculed for it. It is true darksiders can be too dark and sunshiners can also be to sunny. This was predictable and it wasn't even hard to predict. But there are way too many people on here that will ignore a problem just because they like a certain player. Now there are all kinds of problems with this team, chemistry, trust, coaching, effort, whining all the time to the referees. We have focused all year on just the Heat. The Heat may not even be a top 5 team right now. We better worry about whoever we play because playing the Heat is certainly not a given. The goal was to win the championship not just to beat the Heat. Now we more than likelly will do neither
    doctor-h, you have every right to hold this opinion but I will never agree with it. We weren't playing bad a month ago. We just weren't playing as good as we were at the start of the season.

    I don't know how to explain this March (which has certainly been awful) but there was nothing in the team's play from a month ago that could foresee this. Not in my opinion, at least.
    Originally posted by IrishPacer
    Empty vessels make the most noise.

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    • #62
      Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

      Originally posted by BillS View Post
      Ironic that this is being said after a game where I think Lance did almost everything he could to keep everyone else active in the game. He still made a couple of bad decisions, but I can live with a couple per game. For the most part, I think Lance was in control and contributing in all those little ways.
      Isn't Lance leading the team in FG%, rebounds, and assists? He takes 2 shots for every 3 that PG takes and beats him in FG%. I am not sure what more he can do. Want scapegoats start with Roy with his single digits in points and rebounds.

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      • #63
        Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

        We suck. Our scrubs go to other teams and become quality role players. Quality role players come to us and become scrubs. There is no will to win amongst the players. Sad times are ahead

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        • #64
          Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

          It's our spacing, teams know we don't have good shooters beside West and Hill, so they simply pack the paint. PG and Lance fell from grace after 3 month stretch of amazing midrange jumper and 3 point shot percentage. Now they are making us take jumpers and cutting of passing and driving lanes. Pacers haven't been able to adjust the past 3 months. We became a clone of the Grizzlies from two years ago, when they had no shooting, Pacers will have the same problem.

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          • #65
            Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

            Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
            doctor-h, you have every right to hold this opinion but I will never agree with it. We weren't playing bad a month ago. We just weren't playing as good as we were at the start of the season.

            I don't know how to explain this March (which has certainly been awful) but there was nothing in the team's play from a month ago that could foresee this. Not in my opinion, at least.

            Yes there was and it was obvious. The selfishness was was starting to show, the defense was declining, focus was being lost and the identity of the team was changing. That has all led to this. We weren't performing well in back to backs and our road record was becoming average. If those aren't signs then what is. The offense had become so predictable and stagnant. Whining to the referees started to be a constant thing. Vogels inability to develope a bench has been a problem for three years and it had come back to bite us the further we got into the season. He also played the starters too many minutes and now that has come back to haunt us. I said before he has ran the starters in the ground and now it is obvious that he did.

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            • #66
              Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

              Originally posted by doctor-h View Post
              Yes there was and it was obvious. The selfishness was was starting to show, the defense was declining, focus was being lost and the identity of the team was changing. That has all led to this. We weren't performing well in back to backs and our road record was becoming average. If those aren't signs then what is. The offense had become so predictable and stagnant. Whining to the referees started to be a constant thing. Vogels inability to develope a bench has been a problem for three years and it had come back to bite us the further we got into the season. He also played the starters too many minutes and now that has come back to haunt us. I said before he has ran the starters in the ground and now it is obvious that he did.
              I agree that a number of those things (defense declining, losing focus, identity changing, starters playing too many minutes etc.) happened but I don't think that these were a precursor of what is happening now.

              What is happening now is entirely different of what was happening back then. The players are not trusting each other right now but they did trust each other back then. That's the main difference.

              We went 19-8 in January/February with some big wins over Golden State (away), Portland and a surging Brooklyn.

              We have gone 8-9 in this March and we have lost 5 of our last 7 games. The two situations are entirely different.

              We would really wish to be playing like we did back in January/February.
              Originally posted by IrishPacer
              Empty vessels make the most noise.

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              • #67
                Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                Originally posted by speakout4 View Post
                Isn't Lance leading the team in FG%, rebounds, and assists? He takes 2 shots for every 3 that PG takes and beats him in FG%. I am not sure what more he can do. Want scapegoats start with Roy with his single digits in points and rebounds.
                Because most of his shots are at the RIM, nearly 60%.

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                • #68
                  Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                  Originally posted by immortality View Post
                  Because most of his shots are at the RIM, nearly 60%.
                  Whatever it takes to score. What's wrong with that?

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                    Originally posted by immortality View Post
                    It's our spacing, teams know we don't have good shooters beside West and Hill, so they simply pack the paint. PG and Lance fell from grace after 3 month stretch of amazing midrange jumper and 3 point shot percentage. Now they are making us take jumpers and cutting of passing and driving lanes. Pacers haven't been able to adjust the past 3 months. We became a clone of the Grizzlies from two years ago, when they had no shooting, Pacers will have the same problem.

                    You do have a point and I have no idea why Larry has consistently failed to address the lack of having one or two "automatic" shooters on this team. Guys that rarely miss if you leave them open.(Cope is not it....not a big enough sample size to even judge) I've said this repeatedly. Larry has made some good moves but he dropped the ball here and it's killing us. We need more quickness and more shooting. We are a slow team that can't shoot. Defense can only take you so far. There are more issues than these obviously, but who wouldn't kill for a deadly shooter right now.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                      Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                      You do have a point and I have no idea why Larry has consistently failed to address the lack of having one or two "automatic" shooters on this team. Guys that rarely miss if you leave them open.(Cope is not it....not a big enough sample size to even judge) I've said this repeatedly. Larry has made some good moves but he dropped the ball here and it's killing us. We need more quickness and more shooting. We are a slow team that can't shoot. Defense can only take you so far. There are more issues than these obviously, but who wouldn't kill for a deadly shooter right now.
                      Assuming Larry was the one who wanted Cope, I think he was hoping he could be that kinda guy for us. After a player gets signed it's up to the coach to use him correctly and Frank hasn't really done that it seems, either that or our players just don't get him involved enough when he's on the floor.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                        Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                        You do have a point and I have no idea why Larry has consistently failed to address the lack of having one or two "automatic" shooters on this team. Guys that rarely miss if you leave them open.(Cope is not it....not a big enough sample size to even judge) I've said this repeatedly. Larry has made some good moves but he dropped the ball here and it's killing us. We need more quickness and more shooting. We are a slow team that can't shoot. Defense can only take you so far. There are more issues than these obviously, but who wouldn't kill for a deadly shooter right now.
                        Granger was a shooter and he got hurt. so its basically been two seasons this team has been without one. Barbosa came over and even struggled.

                        At this point we could have Reginald Wayne Miller on this team in his prime and im not sure we would be able to get him open shots. Reggie never really was able to break his player down off the dribble.

                        I know shooting looks like the solvent to this issue but the team has been last in A/T ratio the previous season and 26th this year. we cannot get players good looks. Vogel needs a true point guard and a more traditional approach to offense. the sg sg sg pf c approach is not working.

                        Vogels too good of a young coach to let go without giving him a chance to let a point guard run his offense.


                        lance is as good as gone for one reason or another,,, primarily $$$. hope we can get a sign and trade lance for a point or let turner handle the sg, he of all players has the truest point guard skills,,, its his defense I would fear most at the point position. reason why maybe the hill turner backcourt could work.

                        its time to skip forward a season with this offense and get turner in the starting lineup. after the blowout loss to the spurs tomorrow this teams got about 10 games to right the ship.

                        lance can do whatever the hell he wants to do with that second unit.. its all his.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                          Originally posted by PGisthefuture View Post
                          Assuming Larry was the one who wanted Cope, I think he was hoping he could be that kinda guy for us. After a player gets signed it's up to the coach to use him correctly and Frank hasn't really done that it seems, either that or our players just don't get him involved enough when he's on the floor.
                          birds went after guys like mayo, jamal Crawford, Gerald Henderson,, and just missed. Bird doesn't walk on water but at least he has this Franchise selling out games again.

                          im more pissed he has never landed us a point guard. Lawson over hansbrough.. pretty sure Bird knows he ****** that one up.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                            Originally posted by McKeyFan View Post
                            Fixed.
                            PG hogging such a substantial percentage of the offense has clearly had a detrimental effect on the rest of the offense. The most predictably bad play in the NBA right now is what the Pacers run on their last possession of a quarter: A PG ISO and bad shot. The other four Pacers stand around disinterested because they know that there is almost zero percent of getting the ball. On one of those end of the quarter possessions today (I forget what quarter), PG actually did pass......with about a second or two left on the clock to Lance who was way beyond the three point line and had to jack up a long three. The only reason PG passed was because he got trapped by a couple of Cavs, IIRC. It wasn't really a "real" pass.

                            Vogel needs to have some stones and reign him in.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                              I fortunately did not have the displeasure of seeing the game today. The box score looks like their starters dominated ours and I must say given their starting unit that should be an embarrassment of epic proportions.

                              This simply isn't a slump. We are probably done for the season because something hard to fix is broken. I think Lance is the issue. George Hill and DWest ride together. Roy has already stated Paul and DWest are not the issue. Gotta be Lance and if so gotta cut out that cancer. This is coming from a very strong Lance supporter but it is what it is.

                              Edit: With that said, for the record...this team without Lance Stephenson is not talented enough to win a title. Again, it is what it is.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pacers / Cavs Post Game thread - 3/30

                                Honestly, if it really is Lance, I don't think Bird learned a single thing from the brawl years. Character. smh......

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