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    I do like JVG and Tirico. They're good for most of the time, but I think it's in all ESPN contracts you have to first give talk about the Heat and then you can go on to their opponents. Their twitter feed is the worst. "LeBron scores 50 kajillion points, has 9 highlights, he's showing everyone why he's the best in the world!1!1!!!11 Heat barely lose 98-84"
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    I don't know how you can watch the Lebron-Roy replay and not think it was intentional. Live it was debatable, but when you slow it down you see a clear, unnatural hitch that sends Lebron's elbow up and Lebron was in a position to get a good view and land it. Do I think he intended necessarily to catch Roy square on the chin? No, but I do think he was doing it intentionally to clear space. I believe that if those shoe was on the other foot Lance would have been ejected had he done the same thing to let's say Bosh. Of course then Bosh would have to defend a play straight on so that will probably never happy.

    I don't think it was malicious per say, but it was intentional, it was out of frustration and it was 100% reckless.
    And to take it a step further, think about the implications.

    -Hibbert is LeBron's kryptonite near the basket. LeBron attacked the basket what, five times total when Hibbert was in during last season's playoffs?

    -The refs are still respecting the verticality rule, albeit less.

    -You're LeBron James, and so far nothing you've done to attack Hibbert has worked.

    -It's getting close to the playoffs, and you want to set the tone for the playoffs.

    You've got the ability to deck Hibbert with an elbow, while sending him a message, all while making it look like a basketball play. What do you do?

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    I always watch FSI over BSPN and the N-BRON-A channels. I like that we have a channel that shows almost every game we play. The only time the other 2 channels show us is when one of their CHOSEN teams are playing us. F@@k them and their advertisers!
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    Our commentating team is good, but even they have habits that get annoying after listening to them every game, season after season. Plus watching on ESPN meant that I didn't have to see Denari's Kinetico water commercial, George Hill's Indiana Credit Union Commercial, Marsh food pyramid health lectures, and a bunch of Bob Rohrman/Terry Lee/Ray Skillman/Tom Wood car commercials.

    I also like hearing what national people have to say about the Pacers and Fieldhouse atmosphere. Mike Tirico ALWAYS gushes about how great the Fieldhouse is, and he has said multiple times that it's his favorite gym in the league. I think Van Gundy makes a lot of great observations, like when he disagreed with the Lance tech.

    But like I said, for me it all comes down to the HD. I'd switch from ESPN to FSI in a heartbeat if the HD was reversed. The ESPN HD is just pristine, while the FSI HD is honestly kind of weak by 2014 standards.
    Exactly. FSI is 720, ESPN is full 1080i.

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    I heard this morning that Lance is two technicals away from being suspended a game
    I heard he had 14 and was 1 tech away...
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    I heard he had 14 and was 1 tech away...
    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...technicalFouls

    Looks like he has 14 and is two away. Right? 16 does it?
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    And to take it a step further, think about the implications.

    -Hibbert is LeBron's kryptonite near the basket. LeBron attacked the basket what, five times total when Hibbert was in during last season's playoffs?

    -The refs are still respecting the verticality rule, albeit less.

    -You're LeBron James, and so far nothing you've done to attack Hibbert has worked.

    -It's getting close to the playoffs, and you want to set the tone for the playoffs.

    You've got the ability to deck Hibbert with an elbow, while sending him a message, all while making it look like a basketball play. What do you do?

    Granted, I didn't think about this. Those of you who were not at the game, they showed a different angle of the play on the jumboscreen where you could clearly see LeBron cocking back and swinging his elbow, clear as day. It wasn't shown on the ESPN broadcast, but you can hear the reaction at 1:24 in the video below. Most people had stopped watching the replay board, but the ones who saw it were appalled.


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    http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/pl...technicalFouls

    Looks like he has 14 and is two away. Right? 16 does it?


    That number resets for the playoffs right? That's just regular season?

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    It was interesting how many Heat players have been practicing the floater. We got to see at least one from every single wing player, if I remember correctly.
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    And now Indy immediately shifts to hosting these huge college basketball games. Indy is just always in the national sports spotlight. When you combine Pacers-Heat with this weekend's college games, think of all of the big sports names who will have come through here in just the span of a few days

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    I normally defend the trainers, but I'm beyond shocked Roy came back into the game. I cannot believe he passed the concussion test. Roy saying he couldn't remember the play, suggests a concussion. Probably at least a Grade II concussion, based on the amount of memory lost. Just listening to Grady's podcast and Roy asking the trainer if he knew where he was with "Yeah, I'm in trouble" is hilarious, after the fact.
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    I normally defend the trainers, but I'm beyond shocked Roy came back into the game. I cannot believe he passed the concussion test. Roy saying he couldn't remember the play, suggests a concussion. Probably at least a Grade II concussion, based on the amount of memory lost. Just listening to Grady's podcast and Roy asking the trainer if he knew where he was with "Yeah, I'm in trouble" is hilarious, after the fact.
    That's a rule that has to be changed

    Now when you are fouled but can't shoot the free throws due to injury, I think the opposing coach picks someone from your bench to shoot them.

    If the injury was due to a flagrant foul and may involve a concussion, then no way so he be going back out there to shoot, and no way the team committing the flagrant should be REWARDED for the injury by picking a bad shooter to take them
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    Exactly. FSI is 720, ESPN is full 1080i.
    Where's the green font?

    Sorry, not to be a wise guy but both ESPN and ABC's basketball games are broadcast in 720P.
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    I normally defend the trainers, but I'm beyond shocked Roy came back into the game. I cannot believe he passed the concussion test. Roy saying he couldn't remember the play, suggests a concussion. Probably at least a Grade II concussion, based on the amount of memory lost. Just listening to Grady's podcast and Roy asking the trainer if he knew where he was with "Yeah, I'm in trouble" is hilarious, after the fact.


    I dunno, got hit in the chin caused him to bite his tongue. Perhaps blood loss made him woozy? He was already exerted out there in a tough game.

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    That's a rule that has to be changed

    Now when you are fouled but can't shoot the free throws due to injury, I think the opposing coach picks someone from your bench to shoot them.

    If the injury was due to a flagrant foul and may involve a concussion, then no way so he be going back out there to shoot, and no way the team committing the flagrant should be REWARDED for the injury by picking a bad shooter to take them
    JVG made the same point and I think it is a good one. Otherwise someone is going to use a guy like LaVoy to take a really hard foul on a guy like Wade for just that reason. Trading an end of the bench guy for a couple of games for a star player is too 'easy' a choice to reward it by taking the FT's away also.

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    I keep hearing and reading about whether Lebron's elbow was intentional. Well that doesn't really matter. Whether a foul is intentional or not is not a factor in the NBA when it comes to flagrant fouls.

    So if Lebron elbow was 100% intentional or it was a complete accident that doesn't determine whether it is a flagrant or not

    The rule is simple

    A flagrant foul-penalty (1) is unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent.

    A flagrant foul-penalty (2) is unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent.

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    I heard this morning that Lance is two technicals away from being suspended a game
    I thought the paper said one.....$5000 fine and 1 game suspension. Does that reset during the PO's?
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    I keep hearing and reading about whether Lebron's elbow was intentional. Well that doesn't really matter. Whether a foul is intentional or not is not a factor in the NBA when it comes to flagrant fouls.

    So if Lebron elbow was 100% intentional or it was a complete accident that doesn't determine whether it is a flagrant or not

    The rule is simple

    A flagrant foul-penalty (1) is unnecessary contact committed by a player against an opponent.

    A flagrant foul-penalty (2) is unnecessary and excessive contact committed by a player against an opponent.
    I totally agree. Players are responsible for their elbows. James his Roy in the head with his elbow. That is a flagrant. Pretty simple

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    I thought the paper said one.....$5000 fine and 1 game suspension. Does that reset during the PO's?
    yes

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    And now Indy immediately shifts to hosting these huge college basketball games. Indy is just always in the national sports spotlight. When you combine Pacers-Heat with this weekend's college games, think of all of the big sports names who will have come through here in just the span of a few days
    It's funny for people our age how we have transitioned. Growing up I always had this inferiority complex being constantly compared to Chicago or even St. Louis or Cincy. We were told very often that we were second rate and I don't know about you but it put a HUGE chip on my shoulder about our city and especially after going to IU and dealing with Chicago kids for 4 years, well I became really ****ing proud of this place.

    Now that chip on my shoulder has an honest to goodness world class city to go alongside it. We have 15 years of dominant NFL football, we are the college sports capital of the world, the 500 is still a draw and now the Pacers are back after what was really a relatively short absence from the national spotlight (think about how long some teams go without being even a playoff team.)

    Indy also has an amazing symphony (shout to the ISO dudes who did a kickass anthem last night BTW) and lots of other opportunities to indulge in the arts.

    Where it really hits me when I travel to other cities now is with the JW and the Conrad. These are two world class brands and hotels that most cities our size won't even have one of. We have two and there will likely be a third hotel of this modern luxury caliber built downtown in the next 3-4 years. It really is amazing. To put this in comparison, Milwaukee JUST got a Marriott and it is not a JW, just a regular Marriott. Still nice but we've had one for ages now.

    I am so proud of how this city has blown up and just continued to grow while still retaining that small town feel that I personally love.

    World class hotels, world class sports teams, world class arts, awesome growing local neighborhoods, we really do have it all and I think it's pretty cool to go from when we were only 7 or 8 years old and you had Shaq joking about how the only thing to do in INdy was Steak n Shake to now where there is a ton of stuff to do. 10 year old me would have laughed in adult me's face if I had gone back in time and told him there would be a Super Bowl hosted in Indy.

    Love this city so much.
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    Good because I could see the Heat baiting Lance into a suspension otherwise. And a one game loss of Lance then would be devastating.
    Quinn spoke to how they may have done the P's a big favor last night by tossing Lance. Maybe he'll realize his **** can have consequences. (although I rather enjoy the fact we have someone with a bit an attitude so long as it doesn't cause another Detroit situation).

    May I offer a caution....let's not get ahead of ourselves with all of the finals talk. Facing Chicago in the PO's worries me, so please, one step at a time.
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    I normally defend the trainers, but I'm beyond shocked Roy came back into the game. I cannot believe he passed the concussion test. Roy saying he couldn't remember the play, suggests a concussion. Probably at least a Grade II concussion, based on the amount of memory lost. Just listening to Grady's podcast and Roy asking the trainer if he knew where he was with "Yeah, I'm in trouble" is hilarious, after the fact.
    Yeah I dunno, I was a bit surprised too. Frank said today that Roy had no lingering effects this morning so hopefully we are lucky.

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    It's funny for people our age how we have transitioned. Growing up I always had this inferiority complex being constantly compared to Chicago or even St. Louis or Cincy. We were told very often that we were second rate and I don't know about you but it put a HUGE chip on my shoulder about our city and especially after going to IU and dealing with Chicago kids for 4 years, well I became really ****ing proud of this place.

    Now that chip on my shoulder has an honest to goodness world class city to go alongside it. We have 15 years of dominant NFL football, we are the college sports capital of the world, the 500 is still a draw and now the Pacers are back after what was really a relatively short absence from the national spotlight (think about how long some teams go without being even a playoff team.)

    Indy also has an amazing symphony (shout to the ISO dudes who did a kickass anthem last night BTW) and lots of other opportunities to indulge in the arts.

    Where it really hits me when I travel to other cities now is with the JW and the Conrad. These are two world class brands and hotels that most cities our size won't even have one of. We have two and there will likely be a third hotel of this modern luxury caliber built downtown in the next 3-4 years. It really is amazing. To put this in comparison, Milwaukee JUST got a Marriott and it is not a JW, just a regular Marriott. Still nice but we've had one for ages now.

    I am so proud of how this city has blown up and just continued to grow while still retaining that small town feel that I personally love.

    World class hotels, world class sports teams, world class arts, awesome growing local neighborhoods, we really do have it all and I think it's pretty cool to go from when we were only 7 or 8 years old and you had Shaq joking about how the only thing to do in INdy was Steak n Shake to now where there is a ton of stuff to do. 10 year old me would have laughed in adult me's face if I had gone back in time and told him there would be a Super Bowl hosted in Indy.

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