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    Vogel has seemed to imply Bynum will be back at some point. Considering history, though, you can take that for what it's worth.
    Oh did he? I hope so. Bynum would be huge for us against Miami. Still though, like you said, considering his history, I'm not getting my hopes up.

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    For those who think LeBron's elbow wasn't intentional:

    Imagine that's a breakaway dunk and Roy wasn't there. Does LeBron swing his elbow in only one direction (the direction Hibbert was standing) before the finish?

    If he doesn't, then he was doing it with intent.

    Now, to part 2: When you jump as high as LeBron and your defender stands his ground, your elbow is likely to be above the chest area of your defender. Do you think LeBron knew that?

    Part 3: Do you think LeBron has extreme eye-hand coordination? If you think he's in the top 1% of the population like I do, then you probably believe he is able to control where his arms go when he's in the air.

    It was an unnatural move by LeBron, who knew where he was and where Hibbert was, and was fully able to control and direct his elbow. He should be suspended.

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    I think comnplaining about the refs is not only a waste of time I think in this case it is just wrong. There were a ton of questionable calls and a lot of went our way. The two non-flagrants could have easily been called flagrants - judgement calls even with replay.

    But when Wade hit that three in the 4th quarter and was waved off because they said he stepped out of bounds in the corner, he did not (ESPN had the clear replay). That is not a judgement call, and that was 3 points right there. Plus one of James drives into Roy in the first half it should have been a foul on Roy.

    Well sure a lot of calls went against the Pacers. Yes of course, but a lot of calls went the Pacers way. If I were a Heat fan and tended to complain about the refs I would have plenty to complain about. So why bother complaining. I just get sick of it. There are going to be bad calls either way - some worse than others. I bet if I broke down every play and divided the calls in bad, good and questionable. They would be about equal number that went the heat way as went the Pacers way
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    Officials must have believed that the game was being played in "Keep it Close" mode. At least the mistakes went both ways at different times.

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    I don't know how you can watch the Lebron-Roy replay and not think it was intentional. Live it was debatable, but when you slow it down you see a clear, unnatural hitch that sends Lebron's elbow up and Lebron was in a position to get a good view and land it. Do I think he intended necessarily to catch Roy square on the chin? No, but I do think he was doing it intentionally to clear space. I believe that if those shoe was on the other foot Lance would have been ejected had he done the same thing to let's say Bosh. Of course then Bosh would have to defend a play straight on so that will probably never happen.

    I don't think it was malicious per say, but it was intentional, it was out of frustration and it was 100% reckless.
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    I caught a little bit of Grady and Big Schmo on 1070 today, and Big Schmo was floating out the idea of resting guys on April 11 in Miami if we have the number 1 seed mathematically clinched at that point. I thought that was an absolutely absurd suggestion. Even if we do have the 1 seed locked up, that game down there on April 11 will essentially be free practice against them. We haven't knocked this team out of the playoffs yet and need every ounce of preparation possible. Winning in Miami is difficult, and we need all the experience we can get down there. Even if we get home court, you have to assume it's likely that Miami will be able to take a game in Indy, which means that we'd have to steal one down there. I just don't think that we're going to be able to eliminate them without taking a game in Miami, but thankfully we've shown we can do it in each of the last two's postseasons. But the idea that we can just blow off that April 11 game was just dumbfounding to me.

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    This is why I hate instant replay in ALL sports. Let the officials call the game, it's part of the game.
    Agreed 100%. However, I think we're a vast minority. With all the reliance on technology now, they may as well just simulate the season on Madden and pick a champion that way. It isn't that bad in the NBA yet, but it's getting there.

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    I caught a little bit of Grady and Big Schmo on 1070 today, and Big Schmo was floating out the idea of resting guys on April 11 in Miami if we have the number 1 seed mathematically clinched at that point. I thought that was an absolutely absurd suggestion. Even if we do have the 1 seed locked up, that game down there on April 11 will essentially be free practice against them. We haven't knocked this team out of the playoffs yet and need every ounce of preparation possible. Winning in Miami is difficult, and we need all the experience we can get down there. Even if we get home court, you have to assume it's likely that Miami will be able to take a game in Indy, which means that we'd have to steal one down there. I just don't think that we're going to be able to eliminate them without taking a game in Miami, but thankfully we've shown we can do it in each of the last two's postseasons. But the idea that we can just blow off that April 11 game was just dumbfounding to me.
    Do you risk Lance catching another flying elbow to the dome? I think I would at least reduce starters' minutes if we have it locked up.

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    I heard this morning that Lance is two technicals away from being suspended a game

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    Did the audience holding up the colored signs work last night? I didn't hear any mention of it on the FSI broadcast.
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    Did the audience holding up the colored signs work last night? I didn't hear any mention of it on the FSI broadcast.
    You watched FSI over ESPN?

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    You watched FSI over ESPN?
    I watched the first half on ESPN but I was tired of having Van Gundy justify every garbage call the Heat got in the first half.
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    Do you risk Lance catching another flying elbow to the dome? I think I would at least reduce starters' minutes if we have it locked up.
    I agree...Roy took a beating last night and I wouldn't want him to again for no gain.
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    I watched the first half on ESPN but I was tired of having Van Gundy justify every garbage call the Heat got in the first half.
    I like Van Gundy, but I'd put up with Stalin calling the game on ESPN since they have such better HD. The Fieldhouse looks so pristine on that HD of theirs.

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    I agree...Roy took a beating last night and I wouldn't want him to again for no gain.

    I think that experience playing in Miami is a gain though. It's certainly worth more than nothing.

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    You watched FSI over ESPN?
    Always. ALWAYS. Our commentating team is awesome, and I am a Pacers fan, and ESPN ALWAYS ****ING MAKES IT ABOUT ONE PLAYER. ALWAYS. I'd rather hear earnest commentating than superstar **** sucking. Something like "LeBron goes up for the shot, oh he misses but he almost made it ZOMG GOAT HE DUNKED IT WIDE OPEN OMGOMGOMG THREE PEAT." Tirico is awesome, but the rest of their commentating staff is just **** to me.

    Also, **** Van Gundy.
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    You watched FSI over ESPN?
    Yes. I cannot stand the constant Heat slobbering. Just watching that MR video of the ESPN feed following around the Heat was enough to make me gag. I treat it like I treat another certain channel, I switch it over, get my 5-10min fill, and then change back. Then repeat the cycle in about another 30mins.
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    I like Van Gundy, but I'd put up with Stalin calling the game on ESPN since they have such better HD. The Fieldhouse looks so pristine on that HD of theirs.
    FSI's picture is great on my tv.
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    I watched the first half on ESPN but I was tired of having Van Gundy justify every garbage call the Heat got in the first half.
    What? Van Gundy kept questioning the officials, saying that is a "play on." At no point did he justify the calls, he disagreed with most of them. Now if Boris Burke was calling the game, the volume would have been muted. (I don't have FSI)

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    Always. ALWAYS. Our commentating team is awesome, and I am a Pacers fan, and ESPN ALWAYS ****ING MAKES IT ABOUT ONE PLAYER. ALWAYS. I'd rather hear earnest commentating than superstar dick sucking. Something like "LeBron goes up for the shot, oh he misses but he almost made it ZOMG GOAT HE DUNKED IT WIDE OPEN OMGOMGOMG THREE PEAT." Tirico is awesome, but the rest of their commentating staff is just **** to me.

    Also, **** Van Gundy.

    Our commentating team is good, but even they have habits that get annoying after listening to them every game, season after season. Plus watching on ESPN meant that I didn't have to see Denari's Kinetico water commercial, George Hill's Indiana Credit Union Commercial, Marsh food pyramid health lectures, and a bunch of Bob Rohrman/Terry Lee/Ray Skillman/Tom Wood car commercials.

    I also like hearing what national people have to say about the Pacers and Fieldhouse atmosphere. Mike Tirico ALWAYS gushes about how great the Fieldhouse is, and he has said multiple times that it's his favorite gym in the league. I think Van Gundy makes a lot of great observations, like when he disagreed with the Lance tech.

    But like I said, for me it all comes down to the HD. I'd switch from ESPN to FSI in a heartbeat if the HD was reversed. The ESPN HD is just pristine, while the FSI HD is honestly kind of weak by 2014 standards.

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    Did the audience holding up the colored signs work last night? I didn't hear any mention of it on the FSI broadcast.
    No, I don't think it worked. They showed it on the jumbotron and I couldn't see "Beat the Heat".

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