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  • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

    Originally posted by presto123 View Post
    I'm talking about 2010-11. The West overall was much stronger than the East is now. Sure, Dallas finished a little shaky, but they were probably playing better teams overall than the Pacers are currently playing.
    I don't know, and I really don't have the time to compare records of teams, but my overall point was, here is a team that farted through the season after January 1 after starting 24-5 and still won the title.


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      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
      I don't know, and I really don't have the time to compare records of teams, but my overall point was, here is a team that farted through the season after January 1 after starting 24-5 and still won the title.
      Not in Feb. They were like 10-1. They were 9-6 in March I think. Not exactly horrible. I do see your point though. It can be done.

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      • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

        Let me ask point blank. lets say we trade PG, re-sign Lance and team lance with Hill, West, Roy and whoever we get for PG - so pretty much the same team without PG. Does anyone think that is the way to go? I sure don't.
        Last edited by Unclebuck; 03-25-2014, 09:43 PM.

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          Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
          Let me ask point blank. lets say we trade PG, re-sign Lance and team lance with Hill, West, Roy and whoever we get for PG. Does anyone think that is the way to go? I sure don't.
          I say let Lance walk and hope to God PG matures at some point.(and keeps working) I don't think Lance and PG can co-exist and I think that Lance causes issues with other players more. Get a good player with the money alloted to re-sign Lance.

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          • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

            Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
            I think we still need to acknowledge that PG's defense is generally outstanding. On Lance's best day he might be as good as PG is every game defensively. That has to account for something.

            Maybe we need another dynamic scorer either at the 1 or the 2 to take the pressure off of PG. let PG concentrate on being Scottie Pippen instead of trying to be Jordan. Of course some of you are saying why can't it be Lance - I don't think it can be now
            Exactly, but since we can't get consistent offense it won't matter much in the playoffs with regards to winning.

            I am with you on that idea of a dynamic scorer, but what direction do we go, I thought George could be a scorer, but we don't use him like that (if you look at him when he was with the Spurs he was pretty efficient, he could drive or pullup and hit shots all over), if we had a guy that could and was allowed to play that role by his teammates we would be better off.

            But honestly all I think we really need is to start playing smart team ball again, if we can figure that out someone over the next few games, and come together in the playoffs we maybe able to salvage the potential of this group for this season, atleast that is what I feel.
            Why so SERIOUS

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            • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

              Originally posted by presto123 View Post
              I say let Lance walk and hope to God PG matures at some point.(and keeps working) I don't think Lance and PG can co-exist and I think that Lance causes issues with other players more. Get a good player with the money alloted to re-sign Lance.
              Interesting idea, just going to throw a screwball in there, so PG said he would be up for training with LeBron this offseason, if so hopefully LeBron brings out the best in him as far as dealing with expectations and making your team better, may get some backlash from that comment, but I have no big gripes against LeBron.
              Why so SERIOUS

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              • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                Originally posted by presto123 View Post
                Not in Feb. They were like 10-1. They were 9-6 in March I think. Not exactly horrible. I do see your point though. It can be done.
                The Pacers were 11-3 from Feb 1 to March 2. 9-3 in the month of Feb itself, not exactly horrible either.


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                  Pretty sure if we just let Lance walk, the money allotted for Lance is just lost, or more specifically the ability to use it on a player is lost. We can't use it to sign anyone because the only reason we can sign Lance in the first place is because we have his bird rights because we will be over the salary cap. I think you would need to sign and trade him.


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                    Originally posted by Really? View Post
                    Exactly, but since we can't get consistent offense it won't matter much in the playoffs with regards to winning.

                    I am with you on that idea of a dynamic scorer, but what direction do we go, I thought George could be a scorer, but we don't use him like that (if you look at him when he was with the Spurs he was pretty efficient, he could drive or pullup and hit shots all over), if we had a guy that could and was allowed to play that role by his teammates we would be better off.

                    But honestly all I think we really need is to start playing smart team ball again, if we can figure that out someone over the next few games, and come together in the playoffs we maybe able to salvage the potential of this group for this season, atleast that is what I feel.
                    Hill should be playing at SG. Let Lance walk and sign a legitimate PG. Of course, that doesn't solve our problems this year.

                    This year we need to follow the Nike advice. Everyone knows we need to play as team team....now we need to just do it.

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                      Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                      The Pistons added RASHEED WALLACE to their team and won a title that year.
                      And Mark Aguirre several years before that.

                      We may want to believe that the Pacers are a championship caliber team, but they haven't proved that yet. Feasting on the weak East to jump out to the best record in the league doesn't mean anything to this point. Winning championships, does.

                      We almost made it to the Finals last year without Danny, so Bird tried to swap him out for a younger, more athletic player who could (hopefully) add some scoring to the second unit. If any part of this recent slump is due to players sulking because Danny was traded, then that says a lot more about the maturity of this team than it does the "loyalty" of Bird and the FO.
                      Last edited by A-Train; 03-25-2014, 04:58 PM.

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                        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
                        Where do things go from here? Sounds like the players have had meetings, I'm sure the coaches and players have had meetings. We don't know anything the players and coaches didn't know weeks ago. So this is not new to them. But what they have done so far doesn't seem to have righted the ship.

                        We can still get homecourt in the east. We can still beat the Hawks in the first round, and the Nets or Bulls in the second (although that would likely go 7 games) we can still get to the Heat in the ECF. Is the ECF's where the chemistry issues stop the season? Maybe the players can put their deferences aside for the playoffs. My experience tells me things don't work like that in the NBA - other teams are too good.

                        I honestly don't know where we go from here. I suppose I expect us to keep muddling through. I don't expect us to suddenly turn it around now or in the playoffs. And I don't expect the wheels to come completely off as in lose 10 of our last 12 and in 5 games first round.

                        I suppose I see us being in real trouble in the second round of the playoffs against the Bulls, Nets, or Raptors.
                        There is only one thing that the team can do. Beat the Heat tomorrow night.

                        This problem won't be resolved by fans talking it over in a message board. It won't be resolved in meetings between the coaches. I don't even think that it can be resolved in player meetings either. No, this can only be resolved on the court. The players have to start trusting each other on the court again and the only thing that can fix that is winning.

                        Winning cures everything.

                        I sincerely believe that we are lucky to be playing the Heat tomorrow. This is our chance to put it all together once again. The only way to beat the Heat is to return to our old identity. We aren't going to beat them as a perimeter team and our players know that.
                        Originally posted by IrishPacer
                        Empty vessels make the most noise.

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                        • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                          When we first obtained Turner I winced at some of the comments I read in the Star about how he (Turner) might even supplant Stephenson as a starter. I just KNEW that it was going to affect Lance's mentality especially after be left off the AS team. Is he the whole problem? I doubt it. I've noticed Roy being more timid on defense after the pre-break talk around the league about how he cheated on "going straight up". As for PG, IMO he expects to be treated like LBJ and when he doesn't get the calls he pouts.
                          But do you remember how the entire team reacted the first time Bynum came into a game and the BLF crowd went nuts? The whole team responded to the energy with a more enthusiastic play. Perhaps we're as bored as they are???
                          Ever notice how friendly folks are at a shootin' range??.

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                          • Re: Uncle Buck speaks....

                            Sadly I wonder if we don't have another Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest thing going on.

                            Jermaine was supposed to be the star player but Ron Artest did not feel like he was the best player on the team and in fact Ron felt like he deserved the attention that Jermaine was getting so it kept bubbling over and over and over till Ron and Jermaine could not get along.

                            Well Paul is the star but Lance has actually played more consistent and at times better than Paul.

                            I hate to admit this part but this is one of the reasons why you somewhat have to admire LeBron & Wade because they actually have made it work.


                            Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                              cry me a ****** river, if these millionaire pri madonnas got their feelings hurt cause Danny was dealt. then the same rings true today as it did when Bird first said it.

                              these guys are SOFT.

                              S-O-F-T.

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                                Originally posted by Peck View Post
                                Sadly I wonder if we don't have another Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest thing going on.

                                Jermaine was supposed to be the star player but Ron Artest did not feel like he was the best player on the team and in fact Ron felt like he deserved the attention that Jermaine was getting so it kept bubbling over and over and over till Ron and Jermaine could not get along.

                                Well Paul is the star but Lance has actually played more consistent and at times better than Paul.

                                I hate to admit this part but this is one of the reasons why you somewhat have to admire LeBron & Wade because they actually have made it work.
                                You could maybe say that offensively. Defensively, Paul is lightyears better than Lance.

                                This starting 5 needs a glue guy and that used to be Lance. But Lance wants his share and now it's not working. It might never work the way it used to
                                Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.

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