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  • Uncle Buck speaks....

    This post has to much to say to be buried in the post game thread. Also who is saying it is important as well.

    I've seen enough.

    Most of you know me I am slow to make any rash judgments. Never get too high or too low. Always think things tend to even out and a team is never as good as they seem after a win or as bad as it seems after a loss.

    But there is something wrong with this team. The effort is still generally good, but something is really missing, this is not the same team we saw through the first half of the season or in the playoffs last year.


    The fire is gone, the chemistry is gone, the togetherness is gone, the fight is gone, the sense that if I don't get the job done my teammate will be there to back me up - is completely gone. Put simply I see the trust that is needed to be a winning team has vanished. As we all know in any relationship once the trust is gone, it is almost impossible to get it back.

    And let me be 100% clear. 100% clear about this. This has nothing, zero, nada to do with the bench players. No this is the starters, plain and simple. The chemistry has fallen apart amongst the 5 starters. They are not playing like a team, they are not together.

    Two simple plays I say tonight that had to do with body language. (and believe me it is not just tonight, it has been through the past probably 20 games). There was a 2 on 1 fast-break PG had the ball on the left side of the floor, lance was on the right side of the floor. Lance wanted a lob (not really sure It was there - that isn't really the point - PG ends up missing the shot, Lance looks at PG after the play with hands out, as if saying why didn't you pass the ball. PG never looked at Lance at all - on purpose, (there was a timeout right after that play) they didn't walk to the bench together. It was an obvious situation. A yelling or screaming argument would have been more encouraging to me. Sort of like a relationship when things are really bad you actually stop fighting - you just don't care anymore.

    The other one Lance pulls up and takes an early three, and if you look at the reaction of PG, Roy and Hill (West wasn't visible, he was off camera) each of those three players had a disgusted reaction, none tried to even attempt a rebound. I've watched enough basketball, played enough basketball back in my day to know the look and reaction. I've been on teams where a player or two doesn't play team ball, and it tears the team apart. That is what I saw tonight and what has been evident over the past few weeks.

    Sort of like at work, when a co-worker isn't being a team player and you decide you are going to just do your job, keep your head down, not care about your co-workers, every person for themselves. If they aren't going to be team players, then I certainly am not, and I have to look out for myself anyway. Not that you quit doing your job, but your sense of caring for your c-worker and the company, organization, team is gone. You care about yourself only.

    That is what has happened (past tense)

    Let me make something else very clear, I am not blaming anyone in particular. I'll blame all 5 starters - each and every one of them. It is their fault. To me they look sick of each other. If this team fails in the playoffs, however you want to define that, the starting 5 has to be changed in a significant way. Probably 2 of the 5 starters have to be moved. And I am not suggesting who it should be, it might not matter, but these 5 might not be able to play well together again for extended periods of time. Some relationships start hot and fizzle quickly, maybe that is what we are seeing.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    I dont know what has caused this relationship to fizzle out, but something has got to be done to get things changed around for this season... Or this season too will fizzle out before it should...
    Abba Zaba, your my only friend.

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      A little bit of a fight might be good for this whole team honestly. They're a little too nice to each other, and I don't mean one in the media either. Needs to be done in practice.


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        I think it has to do with PG having a lot of **** on his plate any no one on the team stepping up to help him as a human being.


        Carmel HS Class of 2011

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        • #5
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          Uncle Buck needs to get that giant pancake turner and knock some sense back into this team.

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            Originally posted by neosmndrew View Post
            I think it has to do with PG having a lot of **** on his plate any no one on the team stepping up to help him as a human being.
            So, everyone is to blame except for PG24?
            Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              I think this really started to boil over after that loss to Orlando before the All star break, we just have looked even worse since then.

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                I agree, this off season major changes need to be made including the possibility of moving George and/or Hibbert.

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                  This could be rather simple: PG is chucking with no consequences from the coach. After a while, Lance says, "Heck, I'll do the same."
                  "Look, it's up to me to put a team around ... Lance right now." —Kevin Pritchard press conference

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                    Everyone already knows that the problem is. Vogel turned this team over to the 23 year old wings who want the ball in their hands on every possession. One is trying to cement his superstar status. The other is trying to blow up for his next contract. Both of them are putting their own needs ahead of the team. So the ball sticks every other possession. I seen David West last night against the Bulls just stand in place after giving a good ballscreen for PG, who came off the screen and just dribbled at the 3pt line. Didn't try to make a decisive move off the screen. Just started pounding it. West just stood there and starred at him until he took the shot. I couldn't tell if West was just day-dreaming or if he was purposely not giving him space to operate, or if West thought PG should come back and take advantage of another pick. Either way he did not want PG taking that shot there.

                    George Hill has seen his role on the team completely vanish this year so that Lance can have another handful of shots, and run plays for himself. Alot of you are saying that's Hill's fault for not playing better, but they are taking the ball out of his hands and making him the guy who stands in the corner.

                    Hibbert had a slump and the 2 wings decided that he is no longer important on offense. So now he looks disengaged, soft. They dont' feed him the ball after he makes a great defensive play. Hibbert now makes sure he shoots a hook or something when the feed him in the post because he knows his shot opportunities are limited. It used to be that Hibbert would have no problem working the post, draw a double team and kick it out to the 3pt line for an easy shot.

                    I just don't think West, Hibbert or Hill like playing with PG or Lance right now. Vogel has talked about how these guys have had to sacrifice this year, well thats great when the team is winning. But when they have been treading water for 2 months, guys take notice and they start to think why the **** he taking those shots for...resentment is a slow creep that that can build a large swell.

                    THis team was not built on relying on PG or Lance to carry the team night in and night out. It was built on 5 talented guys playing together and having each others back.
                    Last edited by graphic-er; 03-25-2014, 09:45 AM.
                    You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                      I think all of the starters should share some of the blame,but to me It seems like Paul George's ego has out grown his level of talent. He's not LeBron or Kevin Durant, and he needs to understand that.

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                        I blame PG. He would rather be "the man" then sacrifice for a winning team. I have seen too many wasted possessions where PG chucks up horrible shots. When are we going to admit that PG cannot shoot. PG is no longer the young, humble, eager to learn player that Pacer fans connected with. Now he is a whiny, bratty, and selfish player. Why would anybody want to play with a star player that carries himself like PG?
                        Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                          Originally posted by Handoverfist View Post
                          I think all of the starters should share some of the blame,but to me It seems like Paul George's ego has out grown his level of talent. He's not LeBron or Kevin Durant, and he needs to understand that.
                          Exactly!! I understand that PG wants to be as good as LeBron and KD, but honestly which NBA player doesn't want to be as good as those guys? Selfish of PG to force the issue at the detriment of his team. Basketball is a team game, and if you aren't as good as the elite players, you adjust your game to fit in.
                          Being unable to close out a game in which you have a comfortable lead in the 4th Q = Pulling a Frank Vogel

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                            I thought this was interesting

                            http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.1730415

                            Buried in an article about Phil Jackson and the Knicks:

                            Regarding Indiana’s post-All-Star break mediocrity: We’ll chalk some of it up to the fact they weren't a great team to being with, even if they did go 39-10 in their first 49 games. More recently, Paul George is learning how to be a superstar. His recent subpar play tells you that it can be a struggle, especially if there are off-court issues involved. The Pacers are saying, privately, that George is going through the same maturity issues all young players go through and they’ll work themselves out.

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                              Originally posted by Pacergeek View Post
                              I blame PG. He would rather be "the man" then sacrifice for a winning team. I have seen too many wasted possessions where PG chucks up horrible shots. When are we going to admit that PG cannot shoot. PG is no longer the young, humble, eager to learn player that Pacer fans connected with. Now he is a whiny, bratty, and selfish player. Why would anybody want to play with a star player that carries himself like PG?
                              I think PG has been incredibly selfish too. He took his early season success has a green light to take over the offense, when he was actually playing well because of the offense. Thats what is so perplexing about Hibbert saying the other day that PG has earn his trust and has the greenlight while Lance(process of elimination) should tone it down. Maybe he thinks only one player on a team should be calling his own number playing hero ball. But PG has been terrible at it.
                              You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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