Why so SERIOUS
Pretty sure if we just let Lance walk, the money allotted for Lance is just lost, or more specifically the ability to use it on a player is lost. We can't use it to sign anyone because the only reason we can sign Lance in the first place is because we have his bird rights because we will be over the salary cap. I think you would need to sign and trade him.
This year we need to follow the Nike advice. Everyone knows we need to play as team team....now we need to just do it.
And Mark Aguirre several years before that.
We may want to believe that the Pacers are a championship caliber team, but they haven't proved that yet. Feasting on the weak East to jump out to the best record in the league doesn't mean anything to this point. Winning championships, does.
We almost made it to the Finals last year without Danny, so Bird tried to swap him out for a younger, more athletic player who could (hopefully) add some scoring to the second unit. If any part of this recent slump is due to players sulking because Danny was traded, then that says a lot more about the maturity of this team than it does the "loyalty" of Bird and the FO.
Last edited by A-Train; 03-25-2014 at 03:58 PM.
There is only one thing that the team can do. Beat the Heat tomorrow night.
This problem won't be resolved by fans talking it over in a message board. It won't be resolved in meetings between the coaches. I don't even think that it can be resolved in player meetings either. No, this can only be resolved on the court. The players have to start trusting each other on the court again and the only thing that can fix that is winning.
Winning cures everything.
I sincerely believe that we are lucky to be playing the Heat tomorrow. This is our chance to put it all together once again. The only way to beat the Heat is to return to our old identity. We aren't going to beat them as a perimeter team and our players know that.
When we first obtained Turner I winced at some of the comments I read in the Star about how he (Turner) might even supplant Stephenson as a starter. I just KNEW that it was going to affect Lance's mentality especially after be left off the AS team. Is he the whole problem? I doubt it. I've noticed Roy being more timid on defense after the pre-break talk around the league about how he cheated on "going straight up". As for PG, IMO he expects to be treated like LBJ and when he doesn't get the calls he pouts.
But do you remember how the entire team reacted the first time Bynum came into a game and the BLF crowd went nuts? The whole team responded to the energy with a more enthusiastic play. Perhaps we're as bored as they are???
If you get to thinkiní youíre a person of some influence, try orderiní somebody elseís dog around..
Sadly I wonder if we don't have another Jermaine O'Neal/Ron Artest thing going on.
Jermaine was supposed to be the star player but Ron Artest did not feel like he was the best player on the team and in fact Ron felt like he deserved the attention that Jermaine was getting so it kept bubbling over and over and over till Ron and Jermaine could not get along.
Well Paul is the star but Lance has actually played more consistent and at times better than Paul.
I hate to admit this part but this is one of the reasons why you somewhat have to admire LeBron & Wade because they actually have made it work.
cry me a ****** river, if these millionaire pri madonnas got their feelings hurt cause Danny was dealt. then the same rings true today as it did when Bird first said it.
these guys are SOFT.
This starting 5 needs a glue guy and that used to be Lance. But Lance wants his share and now it's not working. It might never work the way it used to
Don't ask Marvin Harrison what he did during the bye week. "Batman never told where the Bat Cave is," he explained.
ya all lets blame this on the LEGEND. not the fact we got a 7'2 center that can barely stand on his own two feet when a strong wind gust enters the buiding. and we got one 23 year old sending pics of his junk out and knocking up strippers. nother 23 year old playing the nba game like its a rucker park and 1 video all while trying to get paid in the process.
boo ****** hooo.. maybe these guys should talk about their feelings and eat bonn bonns or something so we all can get over the loss of danny granger.
somebody get this SOFT *** team a tampon. maybe bosh can spare some of his while in town.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
We went 10-5 in January and 9-3 in February. Similarly to the Mavs those are not exactly horrible numbers. That's the main reason why I've been saying for a long time that contrary to popular belief we haven't been sucking for the whole 2014.
Our March, though, really does suck. We have gone 6-7 in that month which is quite comparable to the 8-8 January that the Mavs had in 2010.
I tell ya, that's a truly brilliant idea. Let's get rid of our most consistent player with no way to replace him. I'm sure that will improve the team.
Let's do it so the guys that have been playing like crap can have more shots! Brilliant!
Lance has been the scapegoat for this team from day 1. If I was him I'd just leave and find a team that doesn't blame him for everything.
"Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"
Nuntius, if this team were playing in the WC do you think we would be playing for HCA. All im saying is our record is a bit misleading when you factor in were playing the JV conference. You can say well.. Miami.. this.. Miami .. that..
Miami has raised two banners, played more games, and has rested DWADE, Oden, for about half the season. they get the benefit of the doubt.
In all fairness, this Pacers team should have wrapped up HCA in the East ten games ago. Just don't let our record vs weak comp fool you. We got glaring weaknesses which I know you are well aware of.. and were about to get exposed if we don't get our ****** together ASAP.
If this team was playing in the WC then we wouldn't be built that way. We're not in the WC, though, so it's irrelevant.
Look, it's true that we have weaknesses. Our biggest weakness is that we went away from our smashmouth identity. We need to recapture that identity and utilize our front court. This team is not designed to win as a perimeter team.
PS: The East has been quite good in 2014, by the way.
yall.. i got this growing hunch lance is just one of those guys that's got oodles of talent but rubs teammates the wrong way. i read this on a bulls forum and one of the commenters said would you want that guy on your team (ie lance Stephenson)
think about it,,, its like boogie cousins.. great talent but a real pain in the *** to play with. i know guys like this.. anyone who has ever played the game has prob had an incident where a dude on your team was very highly skilled but he ither hogged the ball, or was just overall selfish in general. not saying that's lance but just using the example.
sure that guy helped you win but ya hated playing with him. im wondering if lance has become that type of guy. i mean we all see his mannerisms on the court. as bad as hibbs may have been speaking to the media and hinting at lance as an issue at least he didn't do it on the court like lance has done at times.
point blank,, the maturity of this team excluding DWEST is beginning to sicken me.
im sick and tired of lances crazy *** antics on the court. the showmanship that has replaced sportsmanship to some degree. the immaturity of both PG and Lance each in their own way is too much for our starting lineup imo.
if lance is the issue i would love to bring in turner and let him run with our first unit. he has a more polished and mature game that i hope would fit right in.
just all the hot dogging etc etc that lance brings is uncalled for. i know some fans get into it but i don't believe it makes any difference in the win columns. i wish lance would realize that. PG im not sure what the hell to say about him.
something suggests PG is one of the guys Bird referenced as not 100% committed to their job. anyways.. lances demeanor has really changed for the most part since right about or just prior to the Turner trade.
I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this or not regarding the Granger trade possibly affecting the team....
Chicago is 26-13 since the Luol Deng trade. If this team is upset about the trade, they need to take a look at their collective bank accounts and get over it.
Reggie Miller had enough respect of the team, and maturity, to realize he needed both of those guys and so he could just play along. Artest OTOH wanted no part of playing along and humoring O'Neal. And Artest was also bats--- crazy. Meanwhile, O'Neal didn't have the maturity to realize how important Artest was to his own game or team success and continued to press all the wrong buttons.
But the gist of it is, if you want to be the undisputed #1 on the team then you need to play like it. The rest then takes care of itself....
Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.
"A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, thatís teamwork."