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Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

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  • Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

    Dear Paul and Roy,

    Let me just start this out by saying that I appreciate the fact that you are both huge reasons for the simple fact that we are 51-20 right now and still one of top 5 teams (record wise at least in the NBA). I must at the very least say thank you for that, it is more pleasant in these darkest of times than being 20-51.

    Now that being said, let's also recognize the fact that I think at this point the two of you need to belly up to the bar and own up to the fact that the two biggest problems in this current Pacers slump have been the two of you. You are both letting the team down.

    I'm sure it probably sucks to hear that as much as it sucks for me to type it, but when was the last time either one of you really truly changed a Pacers game for the better? It feels like it has been ages. And I don't write this out of spite or to tell you that you both suck, no my message is the exact opposite. You're both better than this. You both have too much talent and have worked too hard to let yourselves and your teammates down by not getting out of this rut.

    The first step to doing this is admitting that you have a problem and more specifically that you both are the problem. Roy your decision to criticize your other teammates (Paul and West not included) via a passive aggressive comment to the media where you weren't even man enough to name names, was cowardly and an act not befitting the 7'2" captain of a 50 win team. You are better than that. I think you know it, own up to it. Throw yourself on the coals. For once criticize yourself in the open. Get out of your own head, we know you tell yourself how bad you are playing but it might actually help to get it off your chest. Let it out big dawg. We all already know you have been playing like crap anyway and maybe declaring it for the world will take it out of your own mind for once.

    Paul the same is true for you. Stop blaming the refs. Stop blaming a "slump". Stop sending dick pics to girls on cell phones there are plenty in Indianapolis that will look at your dick live and in the flesh I am sure. I know you are only 23 and there is a lot being asked of you, I know you just lost the guy you considered a mentor to a midseason trade. But life is not fair and your talent is so ****ing limitless that it would be a damn shame if you let either of these two things affect you.

    You both have to be leaders. You are the all stars. You are the offensive and defensive leaders of this team. Start acting like it. Start playing like it. If you don't want to do it for the fans, do it for yourselves or for your teammates. ****, do it for Danny if that makes you feel better. I really don't give a **** at this point, but you're both too damn talented to get your asses handed to you like this on a nightly basis.

    Roy what happened to the guy that rotated brilliantly on defense? Paul what happened to the guy who made offense look so smooth on a nightly basis that you had us all uttering your name in the same sentence as Lebron and Durant and not looking like complete imbeciles?

    Those guys aren't gone, or more specifically they're only gone if both of you choose to let them leave. It's all up to you.

    Sincerely,

    A disappointed, disgruntled, but still hopeful fan.
    Last edited by Trader Joe; 03-24-2014, 10:42 PM.



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    Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

    paul george need to stop crying all the damn time. i swear he takes the dumbest shots

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      Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

      First off, GREAT post.

      But.........I would also throw David West in the mix.

      The reason he deserves to be in this conversation is not because of his play as much as it's because his relentless whining to the officials has infected the rest of the team. He's our leader, and the one guy who can change it, but he also happens to be the most guilty. He's got to change that to lead by example. He's the one guy who can grab PG by the arm and say "let it go young fella". But he can't do that and be effective at it when he is going bananas every time he gets a foul and yelling and1 every time he takes a shot.

      Just play ball.

      This teams problems are DEEP. But the solutions are pretty simple. It's not about playing through our wings, or playing through our bigs, it's about playing as a TEAM! Set good screens, run plays with urgency, share the ball, hit them boards, stay FOCUSED on the TASK.

      Wednesday can make or break our season. Miami is gonna be ready, we know that. And they are smelling the blood in the water. Everybody always says how lucky we are Miami has struggled right along with us. But how lucky are THEY? They are still in it despite their recent funk. And who do you have more faith in to recover from the funk? The CHAMPS? Or us? Idk, I believe in our guys but we definitely don't have LBJ to lean on.

      We have put our cards on the table by talking about home court all year long. And if we want it, we better bring it on Wednesday.
      "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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      • #4
        Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

        Very well said Trader Joe

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        • #5
          Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

          Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
          A disappointed, disgruntled, but still hopeful fan.
          You have one up on me man.

          I've lost faith in this team. I would love for nothing more than them to prove me wrong, but I have simply lost faith in this team. Quite frankly I think they have too.

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            Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

            Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
            But.........I would also throw David West in the mix.
            And I would like to throw George Hill into the mix. You know, the starter who completely disappears for weeks at a time yet keeps collecting that inflated contract of his and rarely gets mentioned as a problem for this team.

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            • #7
              Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

              It hasn't been great results lately, but at least they are giving effort. The defensive intensity is there, our offense will come eventually, and when it does we will be right back where we want to be. I'm not giving up on our boys until there is no other choice.
              #LanceEffect

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              • #8
                Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                The leadership is missing at this point. West and Hill should step it up as the more mature guys to settle this team down.

                Also, what has happened to the bench production? I mean the starter gets the bulk of the responsibility but it was supposed to improve after the inclusion of Evan Turner.

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                  Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                  Originally posted by 15th parallel View Post
                  The leadership is missing at this point. West and Hill should step it up as the more mature guys to settle this team down.

                  Also, what has happened to the bench production? I mean the starter gets the bulk of the responsibility but it was supposed to improve after the inclusion of Evan Turner.
                  Bird kinda messed that up. Team needs a deep threat shooter. Turner isn't that, but I do like Turner. And they don't play Cope (though recently he's been getting some PT). CJ is sorely missed.
                  First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                    It's just so frustrating because we all know what they are capable of when they are at their best, like in the playoffs last year. They are the ultimate duo when they are at the top of their game - a great wing and an awesome interior defender who looks like Hakeem against the Heat. But right now, one of them is playing like a fragile wuss while the other is ruining the offense by trying to be Kevin Durant.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                      Trader Joe just brought his A game, well done.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                        Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                        First off, GREAT post.

                        But.........I would also throw David West in the mix.

                        The reason he deserves to be in this conversation is not because of his play as much as it's because his relentless whining to the officials has infected the rest of the team. He's our leader, and the one guy who can change it, but he also happens to be the most guilty. He's got to change that to lead by example. He's the one guy who can grab PG by the arm and say "let it go young fella". But he can't do that and be effective at it when he is going bananas every time he gets a foul and yelling and1 every time he takes a shot.

                        Just play ball.

                        This teams problems are DEEP. But the solutions are pretty simple. It's not about playing through our wings, or playing through our bigs, it's about playing as a TEAM! Set good screens, run plays with urgency, share the ball, hit them boards, stay FOCUSED on the TASK.

                        Wednesday can make or break our season. Miami is gonna be ready, we know that. And they are smelling the blood in the water. Everybody always says how lucky we are Miami has struggled right along with us. But how lucky are THEY? They are still in it despite their recent funk. And who do you have more faith in to recover from the funk? The CHAMPS? Or us? Idk, I believe in our guys but we definitely don't have LBJ to lean on.

                        We have put our cards on the table by talking about home court all year long. And if we want it, we better bring it on Wednesday.
                        I hope there's a way the team reads this thread. Frank should also post these phrases in bold in their locker room.

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                          Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                          Could not agree more TJ especially about your point with Hibbert and the media. He should have just kept his mouth shut and taken it up with Lance behind closed doors. You do not air your dirty laundry. Unless you are jumping on the sword you just give the media stock answers and move on.

                          The bottom line is our two best players have just fallen apart and until they get it together this team is not going anywhere. I think it is more frustrating with PG because we saw him play and put himself close to the top of the league. At that level he would have gone down as the best Pacers ever, but now we have just watched him plummet down and get involved with an illegitimate child and sending dick picks to dudes. We go from hearing the media talk about him in the same breath as KD and Lebron to hearing them talk about him in the same breath as Manti Te'o

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                            Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                            Originally posted by LeRyan07 View Post
                            paul george need to stop crying all the damn time. i swear he takes the dumbest shots
                            the refs won't give him calls if he does that, but lebron does it too and he gets all the calls. It's really messed up
                            Smothered Chicken!

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                              Re: Open Letter to Paul George and Roy Hibbert

                              Originally posted by Coopdog23 View Post
                              the refs won't give him calls if he does that, but lebron does it too and he gets all the calls. It's really messed up
                              Lebron is a superstar. PG is not. He thinks he has arrived, but the refs beg to differ. LOL

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