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    Would an *** whooping at home to Miami wake these guys up?? If that doesnt, then nothing will... I just am at a loss for words with this poor play...
    no, i really don't think it will. if the putrid performances against multiple teams far lesser than Miami couldn't do it, i see no reason why losing to the best team in the east would motivate them.
    the days of shrugging off yet another loss as no big deal and just saying everything is fine and moving on to the next game are over and frankly, they have been for quite a while (well over a month I'd say).
    for those who believe this team will magically just turn it on come playoffs- i hope you're right..... i really really really do. because they look like a squad that has forgotten how to play as a team.
    the blame goes around to several players but I'd say probably most goes to pg, roy and lance. frank definitely gets some blame too as his ridiculously predictable pg final shot of the quarter every time thing must end as everyone knows we are going to do that. we have other guys who can score too and we literally need to give them a shot.

    edit: after read ub's post, i am fine with blaming all the starters as they all likely share a percentage of the blame as they certainly are not playing team ball anymore.
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    I have to give the Bulls some credit. Captain Kirk looked like Steph Curry and Dun looked like Klay Thompson out there. Taj was beastly. It wasn't all bad, I don't think. The loss in and of itself wasn't and isn't all that bad. I would have been surprised with a win. Stay strong LG33.

    Ian Report: He was frustrated all game by Taj's movement, forcefulness, and ability to actually get foul calls. Mahinmi picked up a foul in the second quarter for boxing Gibson out. The refs clearly took the Pacers' complaining and ran with it all the way to a clear home court advantage. The second unit defense with Sloan and Evan (and Cope when he gets the occasional minute) is just not on point at times. Can't remember this many misreads by Ian, from that Hinrich three after Hill got picked to Evan trying to slow dance with Gibson on that lob to whatever the hell pick and roll switching we were doing out there. 'D+' because there's got to be a plus somewhere.

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    at this point my expectation is close to zero. i would be happy if we make to ECF. the way we are playing right now i would be surprised if we take 2 games from miami even with hca.

    it's such a shame this idiots are throwing away a chance to win it all which doesn't come often.

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    If you're Lebron and the Heat, you try to bait PG into some 1 on 1 competition with Lebron. Lebron being the smart player that he is will no doubt bait PG into trying to show him up. The result will be a 6-19 outing from PG and a Pacer loss.
    do they need to bait pg for that?

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    The bottom line is come playoff time, PG is going to have to shine and at least play like he's semi-competent about the game of basketball.

    Unfortunately, it'll probably be the send pics of your privates, whiney, go the rim softer than Charmin toilet paper, continue to chuck off balance contested jumpers that is now the norm PG.
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    If we win vs the Heat wed. everyone will say how we are going to sweep the playoffs. Follow that up with a loss and we will lose in the first round. Follow that up with a win and it wasn't by enough points, but we may make the second round now. Follow that with a blow out and we are going to sweep the playoffs again. Sometimes, you just got to hold back that quick and rash things that come to your head. Emotion and being in the moment are good at times and bad at others.
    for the millionth time. this team has been playing bad (lately plain awful) for more than 2 months now. yet people are acting like these are knee jerk reactions after just one game.

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    for the millionth time. this team has been playing bad (lately plain awful) for more than 2 months now. yet people are acting like these are knee jerk reactions after just one game.
    For the millionth time, we are not playing bad for more than 2 months. We are playing bad on March. We didn't play bad in January or February. We weren't playing great either but we were still pretty good in that 2 month span. On the other, March is really, really bad.
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    The record may not have been poor, but it's been patently obvious that our play has been consistently slipping at least through February and March.It's just been a long, gradual slide during that span from good (but not inspiring) to okay to mediocre to now - straight horseshit. And it's been as much about reading the body language and team interaction, which has been consistently lacking in focus, passion, and unity for some time.

    The 4 or 5 game back in was alarming last season due to its timing. We could pull the same routine this year and have another playoff rebirth, but I think the longer the morass continues - 5 games is more like a slump, but not the last two months - the harder it is to turn around. And the team looks more frustrated and broken psychologically this year. Add to that the difficulty of playing a full 82 games as the frontrunner instead of the underdog trying to secure the 1 seed, and it looks bleak.
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    This team right now is really disappointing to watch. They are absolutely shambles on the road and makes you think we have no hope of getting a W when playing away from home. This is terrible for a top team. The uninspiring stuff on offense is not something that causes us any surprises any more. More worryingly I don't see anything changing.

    PS: How sad was watching PG on the ****ing fast break trying to draw the foul from Hinrich instead of trying to dunk his ***? And then ***** and ***** and ***** to the ref crying for a foul? Shut up dude and play.
    This may sound wrong but I didn't want the refs to call for a foul even if there was one! Just for the pussified way he attacked the basket.
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    Default Re: Pacers / Bulls Post Game Thread - 3/24

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    Semantics. The problem is that being good is bad. You have to be elite to matter. Toronto is good. Brooklyn is good. Memphis is good... And I sure as hell wouldn't want to be any of those teams.
    We are elite... at home. We are good away from home, but I think we will do absolutely better in the postseason when you don't have back-to-backs and players can recuperate. Doesn't take away that I'm starting to lose my patience with some of our players aswell as Vogel who seems to keep the status-quo.

    IMHO some of our players needed a little more rest during the middle and the end of the season, which would have an added bonus of integrating more players from the bench.

    I love Frank and what he's done for this team, but he needs to be a little more flexible and he needs to start holding some of his (star)players WAY more accountable. That's not just Lance, that's too easy (though he is one of them), but also George with his triggerfinger and whining and Hill with his regular dissappearing act offensively and sometimes outright lazy defense. He should have given Scola much more rest in february (like many, incl. myself, suggested) to get back to not feeling any pain and more rested (dude played in international competition this summer and that always takes a toll on players somewhere during the season if they don't get some rest).

    I also am still quite unhappy how we have utilized Turner offensively and am (still) amazed at how horrible his fundamentals are on defense. Credit where it's due though in that he does try on defense.

    Just a gut feeling, but I think Vogel needs to make his own adjustments aswell as have West take more control of the lockerroom. There are not many players in who I have more faith as a positive lockerroom presence then David.
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    Please tell me everyone saw Paul's latest instagram picture.

    It isn't pretty.

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    I have ZERO confidence in this Team's ability to rise to the occasion against ACTUAL opponents ( aka…Teams that are above .500 and fighting for Playoff position ) while executing the offense/defense the way that it's supposed to be executed.
    Actually, I have complete confidence in this team when they execute the defense/offense the way it is supposed to be executed.

    However, I have minimal confidence that they are capable of properly executing their defense/offense against quality opponents.

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    Please tell me everyone saw Paul's latest instagram picture.

    It isn't pretty.
    That's disturbing.

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    Please tell me everyone saw Paul's latest instagram picture.

    It isn't pretty.
    you mean the one with his friend from fresno? what the **** is he wearing?

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    Everyone just take a deep breath and take 12 hours. Right now, I'm seriously concerned that more than a few people are about to jump off the Chase Tower. Water WILL find its level, and it will find it sooner than later.
    Well, I've given it 12 hours and feel no differently.

    Just about any fan would have fallen in love with this team early in the season for one simple reason. They played ball the way it is supposed to be played. Excellent fundamentals on both ends of the floor with just a little bit of flash mixed in.

    Through the years, I've made no secret that one of my all-time despised players was Jalen Rose. He was a player who had it all on both ends of the floor, but (as far as I am concerned) pissed it away by constantly bytching at the offensive end of the floor and putting in little effort at the defensive end of the floor.

    I'm seeing the same faults in our starting unit that I almost always saw in Jalen.

    Prima-donaism

    Selfishness

    (False) sense of entitlement.

    The best thing that could happen to this team is for an opponent to pick a fight and to bytch slap each player up one side and down the other. Maybe then they could regain their lunch-pail attitude and all-for-one, one-for-all way of playing the game.

    Right now I'm not happy with my team. Not because they are losing. But because they are CHOOSING to play in a lazy and selfish manner when they have already proven to everyone, including themselves, that they are capable of playing so much better.
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    Does anyone think that it would be a good idea to start ET and have Lance come off the bench? That would shake things up and MAYBE settle Lance's ego back down.

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    I love Frank and what he's done for this team, but he needs to be a little more flexible and he needs to start holding some of his (star)players WAY more accountable. That's not just Lance, that's too easy (though he is one of them), but also George with his triggerfinger and whining and Hill with his regular dissappearing act offensively and sometimes outright lazy defense. He should have given Scola much more rest in february (like many, incl. myself, suggested) to get back to not feeling any pain and more rested (dude played in international competition this summer and that always takes a toll on players somewhere during the season if they don't get some rest).

    I think that right now, Vogel is facing the biggest challenge of his Pacer tenure - the need to be a bit of an a-hole to his players. For three years, Vogel has had it pretty easy in that his "rah rah" fire em up and be their buddy attitude has succeeded remarkably well. I don't think that he's ever really had to play the role of "bad guy" since things have been so smooth over the last few years. But anyone who coaches at the same place long enough is inevitably going to face a situation where they have to be a bit of a dick to their players in order to turn things around. The upbeat buddy persona doesn't work 100% of the time. I think that Vogel is at the point where he needs to be a bit of an a-hole to his players for a bit, and I'm not sure that he knows how to do that.

    By no means am I saying that he needs to completely change his persona or anything. All I'm saying is that he needs to make some changes and his attitude needs to convey the fact that this current stretch is unacceptable. For starters, he needs to show some stones by taking some of the reigns away from his "star" player. Every time I see PG continue to force garbage ISO's on the last play of a quarter, I lose a little bit of faith in Vogel. It's as if he's afraid to take those plays away from PG. That needs to change because PG simply does not deserve to be taking so many of those shots right now.

    I still have a ton of faith in Vogel. You don't bail on a coach who played such a massive role in resurrecting a completely lifeless franchise. But at the same time, he's not Phil Jackson yet, and there are things that he needs to improve on.

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    Does anyone think that it would be a good idea to start ET and have Lance come off the bench? That would shake things up and MAYBE settle Lance's ego back down.
    Maybe, but I suspect that would be sort of like a failed marriage and thinking if the wife goes out with the girls for 1 night the marriage will be fixed.

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    Does anyone think that it would be a good idea to start ET and have Lance come off the bench? That would shake things up and MAYBE settle Lance's ego back down.
    I don't think that would be a great idea to be honest. IF you want to remove Lance from the starting five (which I'm not in favour of doing) I would rather we put either a true PG on the floor or a three point specialist. Given that C.J. can do both, Hill could then slide to the 2, that might be an option, but I'm definitely not in favour of it.

    I think Frank needs to make it clear that this team should be about sharing the ball and working with and for each other, otherwise we are not going to do a lot this postseason. In essence I think that's what it comes down to as the most important change that has to come. I aggree with UB that there is legit doubt if that can still be accomplished. It's really like the "Esprit de Corps" has gone and left our team and all we are left with us are individuals. Granted very talented ones, but nonetheless individuals and those normally don't win championships. Teams do.

    primary
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    Lance: trying to stay atleast somewhat in the offense, while becoming competent on D again
    Roy: making his shots and regaining the confidence in himself
    Luis: getting a bit of rest
    Hill: to the contrary of Paul beying more assertive and aggressive on both offensive and defensive (he was pretty decent last night btw), Even trying to play within the offense, take care of the ball better and take some honest lessons on basic defensive principles from some of his teammates
    Vogel: beying a little more flexible with his rotations, holding players more accountable and draw up atleast two alternative plays to end quarters.
    David: help Vogel in getting the team back into the right composure and taking the lead
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    Does anyone think that it would be a good idea to start ET and have Lance come off the bench? That would shake things up and MAYBE settle Lance's ego back down.
    I think Lance is so fragile that this would mess him up even worse. I don't know how one would handle Lance and his percieved opinion of hiimself.

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    I aggree with you. I don't know IF he has to be an ******* to his players, but HE has to take (back) command and assert his authority over them again. I always thought Pop was excellent at that aswell (aside from his really good tactical schemes and delivering minutes through the whole season also to those way down the peckingorder) and Vogel has to "evolve" in his role as a coach and bind them to his will. He has to bind them together into playing together again, but I think for that last thing he needs David to basically back him up.


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    I think that right now, Vogel is facing the biggest challenge of his Pacer tenure - the need to be a bit of an a-hole to his players. For three years, Vogel has had it pretty easy in that his "rah rah" fire em up and be their buddy attitude has succeeded remarkably well. I don't think that he's ever really had to play the role of "bad guy" since things have been so smooth over the last few years. But anyone who coaches at the same place long enough is inevitably going to face a situation where they have to be a bit of a dick to their players in order to turn things around. The upbeat buddy persona doesn't work 100% of the time. I think that Vogel is at the point where he needs to be a bit of an a-hole to his players for a bit, and I'm not sure that he knows how to do that.

    By no means am I saying that he needs to completely change his persona or anything. All I'm saying is that he needs to make some changes and his attitude needs to convey the fact that this current stretch is unacceptable. For starters, he needs to show some stones by taking some of the reigns away from his "star" player. Every time I see PG continue to force garbage ISO's on the last play of a quarter, I lose a little bit of faith in Vogel. It's as if he's afraid to take those plays away from PG. That needs to change because PG simply does not deserve to be taking so many of those shots right now.

    I still have a ton of faith in Vogel. You don't bail on a coach who played such a massive role in resurrecting a completely lifeless franchise. But at the same time, he's not Phil Jackson yet, and there are things that he needs to improve on.
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    I aggree with you. I don't know IF he has to be an ******* to his players, but HE has to take (back) command and assert his authority over them again. I always thought Pop was excellent at that aswell (aside from his really good tactical schemes and delivering minutes through the whole season also to those way down the peckingorder) and Vogel has to "evolve" in his role as a coach and bind them to his will. He has to bind them together into playing together again, but I think for that last thing he needs David to basically back him up.
    Yeah, by being a dick, I generally mean that he needs to do some things that might be unpopular with his players. He doesn't need to get in everyone's face and call them a bunch of worthless m'fers, but he does need to show some stones by doing some unpopular things. Taking some of the offense away from PG won't be popular with him, but it needs to be done. A slump that lasts a couple of weeks is one thing, but three months of selfish ineffective offense is quite another. We need to take some of the offense away from PG and make him earn it back. It's costing our team. He also needs to cut down on the whining to refs. I just don't know if Vogel has the guts right now to be the "bad guy" with his star player.
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    Please tell me everyone saw Paul's latest instagram picture.

    It isn't pretty.
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    That's disturbing.
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    you mean the one with his friend from fresno? what the **** is he wearing?
    I have no clue, but it hurts my eyes. I feel like PG has turned into your stereotypical superstar minus the superb on-court production.

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    It goes to show that everyone bands together when dealing with adversity but dealing with success separates people.
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    We've become what we always hated.

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