It's never a good thing when your two worst players were your all stars.
It's never a good thing when your two worst players were your all stars.
There is no NBA player named Monte Ellis.
I am sure that many of you will have your Player that you will complain about......mine tonight are PG24, Lance and Hibbert.
For me, PG24 was in his SuperStar-Faux PG24 mode where he would complain about calls that he should or shouldn't have gotten. Lance did a horrible job defending DunDun at first....then tried to go HeroBall in the 3rd...woke up and put up a good # of points....just typical Inconsistent Lance that I hate. Hibbert.....just did a horrible job against IMHO a very strong candidate for DPOY in my book. Noah....right now....is what I wish Hibbert could be....defensive stalwart that had more energy in his little finger than Hibbert did all game and is THE MAIN reason why the Bulls are doing so well.
I am sure that there are others that sucked tonight.....but for me....they stuck out like a sore thumb.
Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.
This team has to make a stand the next week or two (against tough comp it turns out) or else they're going down as regular season chokers. They either rise up and show the first half was not an aberration, or they are exposed for what they truly are - not ready for prime time and not as tough as their pre-season, early-season one seed mission talk.
I'd rather die standing up than live on my knees.
PG and Hibbert suck right now. Like, horrible.
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That really, really sucked.
Wednesday's game is a must win. We HAVE to feed Roy against Miami. If we don't do it then we're going to lose the game and lose the advantage for the #1 seed.
Can't wait to hear everyone proclaim that our season is about to turn around when we beat Miami on Wednesday. Only to have everyone immediately go back into panic mode when we lose in Washington. I said it after we beat the Bulls at home and everyone jumped down my throat, but I'll say it again. This team is mediocre on the road, and awesome at home. That isn't going to change. We're still making it to the ECF. Whether we have a chance to go to the finals depends on us holding on to that one seed.
You guys know me, I try to always be optimistic with the Blue and Gold.
I still think we can salvage the 1 seed. It's going to be tough, but we can do it.
WILL WE? That's a different discussion altogether. Fact is, we're just playing awful, ugly, selfish and whiny basketball and it really shows very few signs of stopping.
A day will come when PG realizes he can use his frustration at the refs, the opposition, and all the stupid people of the 'real world' trying to take him down as a way to motivate him to dominate.
Kobe does it. MJ did it. One day I pray PG has that same epiphany. Because right now he just isn't a very good presence on the court. All this whining and moaning after nearly every single play makes it very difficult to stomach watching this team play. And I say that as someone who dutifully watched every single Pacers game during the "He who shall not be named" era.
Is it chemistry? Is it coaching? Is it lack of heart and effort? Are we tired? Are we just mentally ill equipped to deal with a high level of early success?
Is it all those things mixed into a bubbling cauldron of dysfunction?
I don't know.
I just know that I love the Pacers, warts and all. And I support the guys on the team, even when I want to slap them around.
We can pull it together. I know we can.
Just hope THEY know they can too...
Hey Chicago I'll give you Roy and PG for that Noah guy
This is not a post-game thread. This is a postmortem thread. This team will not win a championship (obviously), won't beat the Heat and probably won't even make it to the ECF. I'm not worried about getting the top seed in the East anymore - we've already lost it. I'm more worried about avoiding a first-round matchup with the New York Knicks as I'd rather get knocked out by Atlanta or Charlotte. I just hope Frank Vogel is fired soon so he can interview for one of the vacant college jobs.
We're certainly much, much better at home than we're on the road. That's a given. I think that most of the people just disagreed with your definition of mediocre. Our road record is not mediocre. Our road record is top 7 in the league. It's clearly in the upper echelon. However, it is not elite. Our home record, on the other hand, is the best in the league and clearly elite.
I guess that a better way of saying that would be that we're elite at home and simply good on the road.
Miami is going to come out focused and locked in on Wed.
And so will we. We sucked tonight, but we'll come out ready against the Heat.
I had a gnawing feeling a couple of weeks back that a lot of what we did out of the gate was because the East was a mess. A lot of new free agents on a lot of clubs, injuries early and just a general malaise. We were set ready to go and we bolted. Now that everyone has settled in and figured it out, we are being exposed as the meh offensive team we always were. Combined with the fact we have stopped playing defense (West and Hibbert wearing down) and we are gonna have to scramble to get anything done in the playoffs.
I thought DWest would be able to right this but PG is too far gone and we are going with him.
Man, and we are tied to the lineup due to contracts. No wiggle room.
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1) Roy has already taken responsibility for it. He said it one or two weeks ago that he has to play better and he absolutely meant it. One of Roy's drawbacks is that he's actually too hard on himself.
2) We certainly have to move the ball but that is not optimal against Miami. Miami specializes in a blitzing defense with quick rotations that can easily pick off bad passes and turn them into fast-break points. We struggle the turnovers a lot so if we turn to move the ball but screw up (which is likely) and committ a live ball turnover that allows them to run and score on the break then we're toast.
On the other hand, Roy has a clear advantage against Miami's bigs. He has also proven time and time again that any time that he gets enough touches (12+) he produces great results. The team simply has to recognize that and stop ignoring him on the offensive end.
They do not care. They've made their money, thats all they want. We get to watch them go one-on-one, play lackluster defense, and bs around in their off-time for the rest of the season.
Thats the only thing we have to look forward to as Pacer fans.
Is the lack of Brian Shaw on the bench starting to show its effect?
The *****ing to the refs needs to stop.
"Derek Fisher will prove to be a much better NBA head coach than Steve Kerr."
"The Houston Texans will forever regret it if they do not take Johnny Manziel with the No. 1 overall pick. He will haunt them."
"You bet I'd take Tebow late in games over ARodg."
"Manti Te'o: the next Ray Lewis."
I've had it with Paul George's antics. Nobody wants to see that whining. Suck it up and play.
PG's garbage offense is reaching crisis mode, and this isn't some two week long slump or something. He's been bad on the offensive end for three months now.
Multiple forced clanked jumpers tonight. Garbage drives to the basket that were either blocked or clanked off the rim/back board. The patented garbage isos at the end of the quarter. There was the hideous block by Hinrich (and the typical whining to the refs that followed). But the sequence that stands out to me was with about two minutes left in the game when he missed THREE shots on the same possession. It was one of the most selfish sequences I've seen in a long time. He didn't look to pass it all, no he had to shoot again and again. The ultimate in ball hogging. A couple of possessions after that when we were coming out of a timeout, he had some forced shot blocked by Noah to cap off his garbage night.
8-22 on the night for PG, and at one point Denari was trying to act like he was getting back on track at 6-15. . This kid obviously isn't yet cut out to be the top 5 player that everyone was calling him at the beginning of the season, but his entire offensive game revolves around trying to live up to being on the same level of Durant and Lebron. Quite frankly, it's just killing our offense right now. It has created the ultimate domino effect and has clearly zapped the other players on that end. How can an offense be good when it revolves around a selfish player who plays like crap night in and night out? This kid is not Kobe Bryant yet, but it seems like the only people who don't yet realize it are PG and Vogel. It's time for Vogel to have a spine and reign this guy in, but how is that going to happen when Vogel doesn't even have the guts to try something else besides a garbage PG iso whenever we're on our final possession of a quarter?
Outside of PG's awful selfish play, Hibbert played a huge role in the loss. Nights like this are just where his contract is complete theft. No guts on either end of the court and completely manhandled by Noah. I've never seen a good player who so routinely vanishes like Houdini.
Every time we play in Chicago, Gibson plays like he's Charles Barkley. He was draining jumpers on us and completely abusing us inside.
Lance's defense was bad, he was abused by Dunleavy and Hinrich multiple times. But credit to them for routinely hitting jumpers. They played out of their minds.
Just a hideous loss. The main culprits are a center who too often plays like a wuss and a selfish wing who thinks that he's Kobe Bryant.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.