All I know is Hill better be off my team next season or is the starting or backup 2 guard because having him play the one is hurting our offense.
You believe in Lance Stephenson, though, don't you? You believe that he can reach that level. It doesn't really matter if it's Paul George or Lance Stephenson. One of them has to become our floor general.
Look, this team with this core will never become a point guard-led team. We don't have the personnel for it. Frankly, the most efficient system for our current personnel would be the Triangle or a variation of it. We have two post-up bigs that can pass the ball, a 20+ PPG scorer on the wing (PG) and guards that can shoot the 3 (Hill) and attack the rim (Lance). We were a power post team last year that played through its bigs and its wings and we managed to win a lot of games and push the eventual champs to 7 with that strategy.
However, we have strayed away from it. We allowed ourselves to become a perimeter-oriented team and that simply doesn't fit our personnel. That's why we're playing bad.
We need to return to our roots. We need to return to our original philosophy. We need to become smashmouth again.
reading some various boards ie heat bulls found posts claiming this very statement. Pacers need a floor general.
they will figure it out, but i dont really understand it, they make a real effort to give hibbert the ball in the post against the heat but against every other team they dont, and if they really want to be a championship team it will start with roy hibbert not paul george. the stats show roy is inefficent on average for a 7'2 center but i dont think hes given the ball in the right spots on most occassions. Watching him play its clear he is skilled can step out to shoot the jumper a little and knows how to use his body + has some moves in the post.
if they cant figure out how to get him involved against teams with size they wont win the chip even if they beat the heat, i think next season they will need to look for a legit floor general george hill is a nice player but hes not what they need at the pg and is better suited as a backup player. With a real pg the offense wont be so lost, less turnovers and guys like david west, roy hibbert will be consistent threats and lance stephenson wont be a guy that can single handley cost them a game with his decision making. In addition paul george wouldnt have the green like to jack up 22 shots- hes just not that kind of offensive talentYeah I've felt for a long time that they needed a point guard. I thought that they'd try harder to go after Rondo but felt for sure that they'd make a run at Andre Miller when he was on the block. George Hill is a good player but not a great point guard.
Lance is not a point guard either. The purest point on our team right now is most lilkey Evan Turner. He knows how to get guys good looks. Some who say GHILL should be demoted I would not really argue except for the fact I believe the rotations work better with Lance in the 2nd unit than GHILL.
GHILL was never this bad when Lance was a 5th option last year. If there are any chemistry issues involving Lance move him to the bench and let him flourish in that role. Scolas not playing well and I believe Turner would thrive in our starting lineup.
I am going out on a limb here and believe Lance wont be back due to $$$ primarily, love to see us work a sign and trade and get Vogel a floor general.
If this team continues to slide, then a major overhaul of our backcourt needs to be made all together. Either Hill or Lance needs to be moved because they're the easiest and make the most sense to move. Hill does a lot of things fairly well, but offers little to no passing as a starting pointguard in the association. Lance at times makes plays of pure passing brilliance, but too often than not, will make the selfish or the failed flashy play. It's a shame because in theory, the Hill and Lance backcourt should really complement each other. When things were going well, it did.
Last edited by PR07; 03-31-2014 at 01:08 AM.
i just want Hill to be aggressive, he doesn't have to score, but do a little penetration and kick out, or probe the defense, most of the time we just hot potato the ball around the perimeter.
Hill is playing in no man's land right now. He's a man without a real role or purpose on this team.
He's basically a scoring guard playing point guard. Which you can get away with if that player guards the hell out of the opponent's point guard and scores. Hill is doing neither of late. His game is completely passive right now, and I've taken to calling him "Aw Shucks" when he plays like this, which he has been prone to do at points this season.
One of the larger problems is that the team used to be able to get away with him just being super defensive-minded, stonewalling the opponent PG, and not focusing as much on offense, because the overall defensive intensity and defense-into-offense was much stronger. But now, this team has regressed in overall defense, Hill has been a part of that, and it's not enough to justify his game.
Maybe Lance and Hill are too good for their modest roles?
If this were a chocolate pie, with each of our starting 5 getting a piece, Hill would've just given up his piece and Lance would be taking spoonfuls of chocolate pudding out of Roy's and West's.
After the year he had last year, I actually expected a bit of a breakout season for Hill this year. Unfortunately for him the emergence of Lance has relegated George to trying to be the "glue" guy within the unit. Unfortunately for him, he has no idea on how to do this. Hill is a scorer, not a stand at the 3pt line, spot up shooter. He needs the ball in his hands and he needs to have the green light to be aggressive.
In his time here he's gone from 6th man, to starting pg, to 2nd perimeter offensive option (last season) to 5th option glue guy. But, no matter his role within the team--our offense has ALWAYS worked best when he's aggressively looking to score. He's trying to play "point guard" and be unselfish, but it's only hurting himself as well as the rest of the team. There are times that I wish Vogel would just bring him off the bench so that he's able to be utilized better, because right now he's an afterthought offensively...which is a shame, and poor utilization of his offensive talent.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...
He has the green light to be aggressive. Every player does. Being aggressive does not mean just score. It is not in his nature or demeanor. He isn't even close to the player that some people on this board think he is.
Hill essentially put up the same stats last year, that Lance (a player pegged to be a potential AS this season) is putting up currently, so he's shown what he can do in this league when given the offensive opportunity.
Hill 2013: 4.7 Ast, 1.5 TO.
Stephenson 2014: 4.6 Ast, 2.7 TO.
Last edited by TinManJoshua; 03-31-2014 at 05:57 PM.
There is probably a good reason why Hill is second on this team in win share and win share per 48, as well as having the largest difference between Ortg and Drtg (+15) of anyone receiving significant playing time. He is doing all of this as a glue guy too, and his win shares were even better last season leading the team.