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    I like Turner/Butler/Cope/Scola/Ian..even though defensively it's a nightmare

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Whoa whoa whoa, where did this news about Bynum being out indefinitely come from?

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Frank jusdt said it on 1070the Fan. and it has been widely reported

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    Damn.

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Sloan/Turner/Butler/Scola/Mahinmi is my vote.

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Tighten it to 8 man rotation for playoffs.

    Ian, ET, Scola.

    Lance runs Point with second unit. GHill can play some combo guard. You are missing shooting now and a 3/4 who can guard that position off the bench.... hmmmmm. I'm being kinda joking, but it would be nice to have DG now with the way it's played out.

    Regardless, you go how the starting 5 goes just like before. No reason to force Donald Sloan, Butler or Copeland to play mins. unless you find a match up that they don't hurt you in Defensively and you need the latter two's shooting.

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    Tighten it to 8 man rotation for playoffs.

    Ian, ET, Scola.

    Lance runs Point with second unit. GHill can play some combo guard. You are missing shooting now and a 3/4 who can guard that position off the bench.... hmmmmm. I'm being kinda joking, but it would be nice to have DG now with the way it's played out.

    Regardless, you go how the starting 5 goes just like before. No reason to force Donald Sloan, Butler or Copeland to play mins. unless you find a match up that they don't hurt you in Defensively and you need the latter two's shooting.
    This is the worst time to go to an 8 man rotation. Right now would be when you want to expand the rotation to get your starters some rest. Then tighten it back up just prior to the playoffs. Anyways we will be using a 9 man rotation in the playoffs. We don't have the personnel for an 8 man rotation. As you said would be nice to have Granger right now.

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    I'm more bummed about CJ being out for longer than I am about Bynum. I really think the drop off in bench effectiveness is quite a bit due to missing CJ, who I think has been a great bench PG all year.
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    A 10 man rotation Sloan/Turner/Butler/Scola/Ian.

    Cut Lance to 30-32 minutes and play Evan 16-18 minutes. Play PG 34-35 minutes and Butler 13-14. Until Watson gets back Hill will have to play 34-35 minutes, when Watson returns cut Hill down to 30-32.

    If there is foul trouble in (which includes Hibbert and Ian both getting 2 fouls in the half) bring in Allen.

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    As much of a bummer as this is we played with Bynum for 2 games this season. This will not dramatically change things as far as personnel goes.

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Out because of what?
    Thank you Jeff.

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    Out because of what?
    Bum knee I would guess.

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    Here's our starting lineup sorted by shooting %:

    FG%
    Lance .495
    West .491
    Roy .466
    Hill .449
    Paul .434

    Looks like we need more Lance and less Paul.

    And our backups:
    Allen .667 (as a Pacer)
    Butler .486
    Solo .467
    Scola .460
    Turner .447 (as a Pacer)
    Ian .444
    Cope .438
    Watson .427
    Bynum .409 (as a Pacer)
    Sloan .345


    I'd like to see Butler play 8 minutes of backup SF in the first half. Tell him to feel free to shoot when he can. If he's hot and PG is cold, let Butler play more in the second half. Our defense hasn't been playing that well lately anyway. Giving PG less minutes and more energy might actually improve it.

    I'd like to see Scola and Allen both play 5 minute chunks in the first half at backup PF. Whichever one is most effective would get the backup PF minutes in the second half. Make it a competition to win playing time. I think Allen just might win that competition.

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    Here's our starting lineup sorted by shooting %:

    FG%
    Lance .495
    West .491
    Roy .466
    Hill .449
    Paul .434

    Looks like we need more Lance and less Paul.

    And our backups:
    Allen .667 (as a Pacer)
    Butler .486
    Solo .467
    Scola .460
    Turner .447 (as a Pacer)
    Ian .444
    Cope .438
    Watson .427
    Bynum .409 (as a Pacer)
    Sloan .345

    Here it is for eFG%

    Starters
    Lance .541
    Hill .531
    Paul .501
    West .493
    Hibbert .467

    Bench
    Allen .667
    Butler .625
    Copeland .568
    Solo .567
    Watson .498
    Turner .476
    Scola .461
    Mahinmi .444
    Bynum .409
    Sloan .391

    and


    TS%

    Starters
    Hill .574
    Lance .566
    Paul .565
    West .533
    Hibbert .522

    Bench
    Allen .651
    Butler .630
    Copeland .591
    Hill .590
    Watson .538
    Turner .503
    Mahinmi .501
    Scola .498
    Bynum .459
    Sloan .417

    and finally

    Ortg (this also takes into consideration assists, offensive rebounds, and more)

    Starters
    Hill 116
    Paul 109
    West 108
    Lance 107
    Hibbert 103

    Bench
    Allen 135
    Butler 119
    Copeland 115
    Watson 107
    Solo 101
    Mahinmi 101
    Turner 100
    Scola 94
    Bynum 93


    Seems we need more Hill and Butler. Allen's play is a bit of a sample size question.

    Scola being behind Mahinmi is TS% and Ortg stings.

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    Indefinitely means they don't know when he's coming back, timetable wise. Doesn't mean we won't see him again, just means he probably won't return until end of the season at most. Doesn't mean done for the year. CJ is still out with a strained hamstring? Is he getting treatment at all? That was 1 week ago, should've been healed by now. As for our bench. I'd like to see....



    Copeland
    Butler
    Allen
    Solo
    Turner


    or


    Scola
    Copeland
    Allen
    Butler
    Turner

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    CJ is out at least another week.






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    As soon as it was announced during the game (about Watson's hamstring), Quinn mentioned he'd be out for a while. Said those injuries require rest more than anything. I just hope Bynum is able to play in the postseason.

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    Why is everything falling apart smh

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    I think the Danny Granger injury has made people think "indefinitely" means long term. It does not. It means they have no clue how long Bynum will be out. He could be back next week, he could be out a month, and he could be done for the season; we just don't know. Since he just had his knee drained, they aren't going to say how long he is out until they can see how he responds.

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    Default Re: Bynum out indefinitely, CJ out..how should our bench look?

    Well, this blows. Looks like Bynum's done.

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    Hamstring strains take time because they're easy to pull/tear at this point. I'm glad he is resting instead of risking more aggravation. Once the doctors get a better idea of how Bynum's knee is reacting to treatment they'll give us a timeline instead of using the word "indefinitely"

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    I think the Danny Granger injury has made people think "indefinitely" means long term. It does not. It means they have no clue how long Bynum will be out. He could be back next week, he could be out a month, and he could be done for the season; we just don't know. Since he just had his knee drained, they aren't going to say how long he is out until they can see how he responds.
    Indefinitely usually means one of two things. Either they don't have a good grasp of how serious of an injury it is yet, or it is going to be while but they aren't sure exactly how long. Neither of those are very optimistic outlooks. If it is a short period of time, but unsure of how short, they usually use day-to-day instead.

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    I think the Danny Granger injury has made people think "indefinitely" means long term. It does not. It means they have no clue how long Bynum will be out. He could be back next week, he could be out a month, and he could be done for the season; we just don't know. Since he just had his knee drained, they aren't going to say how long he is out until they can see how he responds.
    I have never heard a player being out "indefinitely" and then coming back the next week. If he could be back next week, they wouldn't use the word indefinitely. They use that because they have no idea how long it will be, but know it won't be short.

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    I have never heard a player being out "indefinitely" and then coming back the next week. If he could be back next week, they wouldn't use the word indefinitely. They use that because they have no idea how long it will be, but know it won't be short.
    Tony Parker was just out indefinitely in February and missed about 5 games. It wasn't a week but it was pretty short.

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    Assuming indefinately doesn't mean done I'd be good with the team rehabing Bynum until the 2nd round of the playoffs or even until the ECF. They will say different but even a rusty Bynum will force the Heat to adjust and will put them on there heals a bit. The mental edge alone could be just enough to get past them.

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