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Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

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  • #16
    Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

    Originally posted by sav View Post
    These guys may be tired, but they shouldn't be. No one is averaging even 36 minutes per game. Great players in the past have averaged over 36 mpg and were still playing well at the end of the season.

    Wilt AVERAGED 45.8 mpg for his CAREER.

    I know Wilt was an unusual athlete, but here is a short list of other players and their career average mpg:

    Bird 38.4
    LeBron 39.5
    Kobe 36.6
    Carmelo 36.5

    And some real old timers:

    Havlicek 36.6
    Russell 42.3
    Oscar 42.2

    This time of year on a contending team, great players figure out how to keep playing at a high level whether they are tired or not.
    It is much tougher to play 34 minutes going 100% all the time than to play 36 minutes going 80% the majority of the time.

    I'm not saying they are tired, I don't know how hard they push themselves out there from game to game, but to dismiss it out of hand is just ignorant of reality. Being young doesn't mean you don't get tired, in fact in Paul's case being young might be part of the problem as he hasn't had the chance to build up his long term endurance with his current role.

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    • #17
      Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

      Originally posted by presto123 View Post
      Your post would make sense if the Pacers had a bunch of guys leading the league in minutes played.
      Paul is 2nd in the NBA in miles ran. If Paul is playing less minutes, but running further, it would mean his work output is higher than pretty much the entire league. I don't think his tired legs give him excuse for his sloppy turnovers, or whining, but I do think it explains his poor shooting.
      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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      • #18
        Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

        People are really over analyzing everything right now. I'm content with just sitting back and watching what happens in the playoffs. I've got confidence in our guys.

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        • #19
          Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

          Yeah!!! Because LeBron plays every game, and Wade plays every game, the Spurs never rest their starters, Westbrook never sits...I honestly think it's something the Pacers should look at more often.
          "It's just unfortunate that we've been penalized so much this year and nothing has happened to the Pistons, the Palace or the city of Detroit," he said. "It's almost like it's always our fault. The league knows it. They should be ashamed of themselves to let the security be as lax as it is around here."

          ----------------- Reggie Miller

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          • #20
            Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

            Originally posted by croz24 View Post
            These athletes are paid millions of dollars to be in shape. I will never be fine with a professional player using tiredness as an excuse for poor play when being in shape is part of his job description.
            Im sorry,but to think an athlete can get tired because their paid millions" to me is just ridiculous

            No matter how great off shape your in, you will eventually tire ad have a greater risk of injury

            no offense at your point, just my view
            Sittin on top of the world!

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            • #21
              Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
              Im sorry,but to think an athlete can get tired because their paid millions" to me is just ridiculous

              No matter how great off shape your in, you will eventually tire ad have a greater risk of injury

              no offense at your point, just my view
              The point is about excuse making. I don't recall Jordan every using being tired as an excuse while he led the Bulls to 72 wins in a season. Or Bird *****ing about his back while he was leading the Celtics to a sweep over the Pacers and averaged 20-10-7. Reggie did more running than anybody and yet I rarely recall him using his tirelessly running off screens as an excuse for poor play. If you are an athlete and physically tired, you either work harder in the offseason to get yourself in the shape you need to be in to sustain, or you adjust your style of play to suit your physical capabilities. The LAST thing you do is use it as an excuse for poor play.

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              • #22
                Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                I remember us finishing last season this way also, the guys will get it together.
                Impossible Is Nothing

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                • #23
                  Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                  I think this upcoming game with Miami is exactly what we need. They seem to bring out the best in us and it's clear the team is obsessed with beating them. If that game doesn't do it, I don't know what will.

                  I've said it before and I'll say it again. This tough stretch is exactly what this team needed. They were way too cocky, and it's better to get this over with now, than in the first two rounds of the playoffs.

                  Btw I think when people say tired, they don't necessarily mean physically. When you're mind is sluggish, the body will fallow its lead. So while you make look "tired" physically, it is more mental fatigue that is the issue.

                  This team has been thinking about Miami for almost a full year and I think they are just worn down by that combined with the grueling season. Hopefully they will get their second wind, and soon.
                  Last edited by Taterhead; 03-21-2014, 05:47 PM.
                  "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                  • #24
                    Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                    Don't the Pacers lead the league in back to back games? Also, I wonder how many miles the entire team has ran compared to the rest of the league? Stephenson probably leads the league in fastbreaks initiated after securing a rebound. Hibbert leads the league in the number of shot attempts he faces and still manages to lead the league in low FG% by the opponent. The team is putting in work on BOTH ends of the floor with the least amount of the recovery time and time lost to injury, yet some of you want believe they're superhuman due to being paid millions of dollars. SMDH.


                    Remember when we could have gotten 1-2 solid players and a possible Top 3 draft pick in the 2017 NBA Draft by trading away Paul George?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                      Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                      I think this upcoming game with Miami is exactly what we need. They seem to bring out the best in us and it's clear the team is obsessed with beating them. If that game doesn't do it, I don't know what will.

                      I've said it before and I'll say it again. This tough stretch is exactly what this team needed. They were way too cocky, and it's better to get this over with now, than in the first two rounds of the playoffs.

                      Btw I think when people say tired, they don't necessarily mean physically. When you're mind is sluggish, the body will fallow its lead. So while you make look "tired" physically, it is more mental fatigue that is the issue.

                      This team has been thinking about Miami for almost a full year and I think they are just worn down by that combined with the grueling season. Hopefully they will get their second wind, and soon.
                      I agree. If anything makes us want to play with energy, it's facing Miami.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                        Btw, I still say 82 games is way too many, and a major reason why "every team goes through a slump."

                        60ish games would be optimal.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                          Originally posted by croz24 View Post
                          The point is about excuse making. I don't recall Jordan every using being tired as an excuse while he led the Bulls to 72 wins in a season. Or Bird *****ing about his back while he was leading the Celtics to a sweep over the Pacers and averaged 20-10-7. Reggie did more running than anybody and yet I rarely recall him using his tirelessly running off screens as an excuse for poor play. If you are an athlete and physically tired, you either work harder in the offseason to get yourself in the shape you need to be in to sustain, or you adjust your style of play to suit your physical capabilities. The LAST thing you do is use it as an excuse for poor play.
                          Did PG complain of being fatigued? Im serious, I dont remember either way
                          Sittin on top of the world!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                            Originally posted by Shade View Post
                            Btw, I still say 82 games is way too many, and a major reason why "every team goes through a slump."

                            60ish games would be optimal.
                            I agree, no more than 66 games within the same time frame would be ideal. I would say 62 games is perfect. I think that puts them at just a little over 2 games per week.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                              For those of you that think fatigue is not a factor think about your own jobs. Do you ever have those days where you just don't want to go to work? Why is that? Is it because you're not in "shape" for your job? There is mental fatigue in every job. Doesn't matter what you do for a living sometimes you just don't feel like going to work. Most people do. Is their performance on that day optimum? Probably not. I coach hs athletes. The season is not even close to this long, but there is always a period in the season when mental fatigue from the daily grind sets in. A lot of that depends on the talent level of the team. Teams that aren't athletically superior May have to exert more effort to win. Those teams hit those walls more often then the ones that can just show up and win. I don't believe this Pacers team has that kind of talent to just show up and win. I think their effort at the beginning of the season was better than every team in the NBA. You cannot keep up that level of intensity for 82 games. Just a simple fact. They do not have a Lebron James or Michael Jordan on the team that can play at 75% and still remain competitive then "turn" it on in crunch time.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Did Pacers push too hard, too soon?

                                Your body has a physical exertion limit. Doesn't matter how much you prepare in the offseason, you can't overcome what's in your genes. The guys on this Pacers team are especially at risk if they play too many minutes. Roy has asthma, West has torn an ACL and is past 30, PG has to be totally locked in on offense and defense. None of them are built like MJ or LeBron either.

                                Someone earlier in the thread pointed out Bird, LeBron and other players as proof that big minutes shouldn't be an excuse. Bird played 38 minutes a game and his body broke down in his early thirties. LeBron has said that a big part of his playoff losses in Cleveland were due in part to fatigue from heavy regular season minutes.

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