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    Losing to the streaking New York Knicks is rock bottom for the Indiana Pacers.

    That is not a misprint.

    The Eastern Conference-leading, second-best-in-the-NBA Pacers are treating their Wednesday night loss at Madison Square Garden as a harbinger of doom and gloom.

    Following their 92-86 loss, the Pacers, starting with Paul George, issued a steady stream of introspective and self-degrading comments, per Candace Buckner of the Indianapolis Star:

    (The Knicks) switch almost everything on the floor. They just take you out of stuff and we haven't grown our I.Q. as a team into improvising when teams try to throw in little wrenches into our offense and that's where we got to grow offensively.

    I say that because at this point of the season everybody knows what we're running, so this is the point where we've got to be able to play at a higher pace and higher I.Q. as a team to where we can beat teams to whatever style that they're playing.


    To be clear, this was George, questioning the intelligence of his team.

    And this is David West, calling them selfish.

    "We just didn't move (the ball)," he said. "We didn't play team ball at all."

    Indeed, the Pacers struggled to move the ball, registering just 12 assists, which is more than eight below their already unimpressive season average (20.3).

    Scoring in general, as George noted, was an issue. Though the Pacers aren't known for their offense, they were facing the league's sixth-worst defensive team. Yet they couldn't even crack 90 points.

    As has become the norm, Indiana received 13 total points from its bench. Roy Hibbert and Lance Stephenson combined for 41 points on 16-of-26 shooting, but they were complemented by George's 4-of-17 performance from the floor.


    Defensively, the Pacers did their job, holding the Knicks to 39 percent shooting, including a beggarly 4-of-17 showing from beyond the arc. But their offense was so bad, the Knicks won a game in which they hit under five three-pointers for just the second time all season.

    "This is sad, you know," Hibbert said afterward.

    It's also somewhat typical.

    The Pacers haven't been the Pacers of late. They are just 4-5 in their last nine games and have been struggling to put away inferior opponents since the end of February.

    "In the first half we tried to do it ourselves and only had two assists," Pacers coach Frank Vogel explained, per the Associated Press (via FOX Sports). "In the second half we played much better. Shared the basketball better, we screened better, but we fell short."

    Indiana could not be falling short at a more inopportune time.


    With the Miami Heat battling fits of disinterest and injuries, the Pacers should be putting distance between themselves and the reigning champs. Instead, they're clinging to a three-game lead and in danger of losing the top spot their flag has been staked in all season.

    "We got to figure it out," Hibbert deadpanned, per Buckner.

    Yes, they do, preferably before the Heat figure it out. And most definitely before the playoffs begin and losses become the difference between advancement and an early exit.

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    This is going to be either a wake up call or a start of a bigger problem...
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    Default Re: Indiana Pacers Sound Off, Call Each Other Out After Loss vs. NY Knicks

    Ok, so why wasn't this addressed a month ago?

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    I think it's because it's been getting progressively worse. They had 2 assists in the first half last night, and the first assist was on the first Pacer possession. They went 23 mins last night with one assist.
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    Paul George hit it pretty bang on.

    1. Everyone is going to criticize everyone because it's a natural thing to do and they are not going to call out the coach.

    2. "I say that because at this point of the season everybody knows what we're running, so this is the point where we've got to be able to play at a higher pace and higher I.Q. as a team to where we can beat teams to whatever style that they're playing."

    Exactly. Without a natural PG it's all predictable. Lance is the closest thing we have with potential of being a PG but Vogel did not nurture him this season to see if he could have taken that role.

    3. Frank has had about 145 games to design a better offence and has failed. Larry needs to step in even though he has done his job, and a very damn good job.

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    The Pacers starting lineup this year is missing that glue guy. Lance was that guy last year, but he is too talented and now too confident to just be passive. Hill is trying to be that guy, but it's not really his best role. The two guys who seem best suited to be a 3 and D type guy, are Rasual and Cope, but both of them have major deficiencies that scare the crap out of you as a starter. Turner seems too much of a Lance copy to really make it work. It's a conundrum that's for sure. Lance's growth has been great as has Paul's but their shot guzzling has really thrown off the balance of the offense and apparently the locker room.

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    This team just looks so depressed on offence.

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    Paul George hit it pretty bang on.

    1. Everyone is going to criticize everyone because it's a natural thing to do and they are not going to call out the coach.

    2. "I say that because at this point of the season everybody knows what we're running, so this is the point where we've got to be able to play at a higher pace and higher I.Q. as a team to where we can beat teams to whatever style that they're playing."

    Exactly. Without a natural PG it's all predictable. Lance is the closest thing we have with potential of being a PG but Vogel did not nurture him this season to see if he could have taken that role.

    3. Frank has had about 145 games to design a better offence and has failed. Larry needs to step in even though he has done his job, and a very damn good job.
    ALL organized offenses are predictable. The Pacers know all the other teams offensive sets too. That type of scouting, knowing the other teams plays, is done at the HS level. It comes down to being able to execute option 3 and downward at this point. The Pacers have no desire to pass the ball, to get to the lower options. They'd rather throw the ball away, or take a bad shot.

    Any offense is going to suck with those two things being done at the clip the Pacers are doing them.
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    What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?

    Larry Bird: Yeah, patience.

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    ALL organized offenses are predictable. The Pacers know all the other teams offensive sets too. That type of scouting, knowing the other teams plays, is done at the HS level. It comes down to being able to execute option 3 and downward at this point. The Pacers have no desire to pass the ball, to get to the lower options. They'd rather throw the ball away, or take a bad shot.

    Any offense is going to suck with those two things being done at the clip the Pacers are doing them.
    The Hawks have better offence then us this season. Majority of offences are for the most part predictable. Our offence is entirely predictable.

    Lance is the only unpredictable aspect.

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    Lol, that article took some liberties. They don't hesitate to mention we're 4-5 in their last 9, but conveniently forget to mention they're also 4-1 in their last 5. David West said they weren't playing team ball, so author misquotes West as saying they are "selfish". Paul George comments that they need to play smarter, so naturally, the author misquotes him as he's questioning their intelligence.

    This is pretty bad journalism. I see a team that is working it out with each other. I'd be more concerned if they weren't communicating or voicing concerns. That's how you fix things when you lose your mojo, this goes for anything in life.

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    Default Re: Indiana Pacers Sound Off, Call Each Other Out After Loss vs. NY Knicks

    When the Bulls mop the floor with us, I'm going to be pretty pissed off. I can't stand losing to them.

    That being said, the Pacers had their chances to come back, but they shouldn't have to come back against a pathetic *** New York Knicks team. This Knicks team lost to the Celtics by 40.

    Hibbert actually was hitting shots in the third and yet we went away from it from the little I saw in the 4th. We had it cut to like a 2 point game early in the 4th and what do we do after we get some stops? Jack up three pointers like Jimmy is still coaching. 3 seconds into the shot clock, we clank some three's. Knicks get the ball and score an uncontested layup. Rinse and repeat and we're down 7 again.

    I thought they were smarter than this.

    Also, I'm getting very sick and tired of the complaining to the refs. I understand you're pissed off but quit looking back at the refs. It won't do you any good, you'll just be late on defense or get a technical if said ref has been having a bad day
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    I wish there was something we could do as fans to help our team.

    This is a hopelessness feeling.

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    This is going to be either a wake up call or a start of a bigger problem...
    I have said this for awhile.....but if nothing the Team hasn't waken up from the previous losses since the ASB....then this won't do it.

    I dont know if it starts with and continues day to day lectures from Bird.....but I'm waiting for the Team to wake up....cuz they just continue to hit he proverbial "snooze" button.
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    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    This is going to be either a wake up call or a start of a bigger problem...
    I have said this for awhile.....but if nothing the Team hasn't waken up from the previous losses since the ASB....then this won't do it.

    I dont know if it starts with and continues day to day lectures from Bird.....but I'm waiting for the Team to wake up....cuz they just continue to hit he proverbial "snooze" button.
    Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

    This is David West, he is the Honey Badger, West just doesn't give a *****....he's pretty bad *ss cuz he has no regard for any other Player or Team whatsoever.

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    The Hawks have better offence then us this season. Majority of offences are for the most part predictable. Our offence is entirely predictable.

    Lance is the only unpredictable aspect.
    Nah. Teams break down 100% of every play every play ever made during 100% of games. They have staff who's job is to do just that. They all know each other's offenses. They might get caught off guard with a new wrinkle every once in a while, but after the first time it's shown, it will be scouted.

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    This team just looks so depressed on offence.
    The offense makes me depressed! It's flat out ugly to watch. Defense is really good. Not sure why the offense is just so bad. There is so much talent!
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    I mean, Miami is doing worse than us right now though, and OKC is doing bad too. 3 Great teams going nosedive has to be more than mere coincidence. I feel like we are just unconcerned at this point of the season.
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    Lol, that article took some liberties. They don't hesitate to mention we're 4-5 in their last 9, but conveniently forget to mention they're also 4-1 in their last 5.
    i totally agree. they should have mentioned those 4 wins to give the readers a better understanding of how much we suck lately.

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    I am not surprised there is some frusturation. The thing that surprises me is that over the course of 82 games this kind of stuff doesn't happen more. Our guys are good dudes who are very professional though. I am not sure if we can return to our November form, but I am sure this group is too strong to let finger pointing ruin a good thing.

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    It's a conundrum that's for sure. Lance's growth has been great as has Paul's but their shot guzzling has really thrown off the balance of the offense and apparently the locker room.
    Yep.

    The thing that frustrates me about PG is sometimes he forces shots too much when he is struggling. If he is, say, 1 for 6 from the floor, it's as if he thinks he has to shoot himself out of his struggles. But too often that means forcing tough shots, and that's when he goes to 1 for 7, 1 for 8, 1 for 9, kinda like last night. I wish he'd be more patient and let the game come to him.

    I think LeBron has rewritten the book on how to be cerebral and efficient. It's as if he can immediately calculate what the higher-percentage play is. Maybe he has a 50% chance of making a certain shot, but if he can pass to someone that has a 60% chance of making their shot, he tends to make the smarter play. Guys like PG and Lance need to be more like this.

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