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Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

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  • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

    Also, what the heck is up with rebounding? Again, I am not reading a stat sheet, but if we could get some of those long defensive rebounds we could run and get better shots. We have to go after those long rebounds though. The Knicks got a lot of 2nd shots in the first half.

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      I'm just not getting how people are turning this into a Lance Vs Roy thing. I didn't understand how it was ever a Lance Vs Danny thing either, so maybe I'm just lost all together.
      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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      • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

        Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
        Not by name, but he clearly gives West and Paul George a pass. I think he is mainly talking about Lance because he refers to roles changing.


        I realize little bits and pieces of this article was discussed in the post game thread, but I think it deserves its own thread because there is more in the article than what was in her tweets

        http://www.indystar.com/story/sports...nicks/6637785/
        Not sure we can call Lance selfish when he leads the team in assists
        Sittin on top of the world!

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        • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

          Originally posted by Since86 View Post
          Is what he said true or not?

          Either answer is 100% independent of how Roy is playing, and who's out muscling him. Roy does need to play better, but his play doesn't invalidate what he said.
          It's one truth amongst many truths, and it conveniently absolved himself of blame. I never said that his statements were false anyway. I just think that veiled shots should stay behind closed doors. If you're going to take veiled shots at someone, then I hope that you yourself are at least playing well. West has more cred since he has been playing his a** off for two months, but it's just hard for me to take Hibbs' quotes seriously when he's letting no named scrubs outmuscle him.

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          • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

            8:20 left in the first quarter, George Hill just got fouled by Stoudemire on a rebound. West inbounds to Hill, they come up the floor and run a quick pick and roll leading to an easy George Hill layup to give us our first lead of the game. Running back down on defense Lance is holding his hands out in a "why didn't you pass it to me" motion, while yelling something at George Hill. As the Knicks offense is setting up Lance turns to the bench arms out palms up like "What did I do" and you can see Rasual Butler sitting on the bench shaking his head.

            I just had to get that sequence off my chest, I've watched it five times now and I can't get over it. I feel like I see a moment like that at least once a game from him. He's had good numbers recently, but Lance doesn't seem to do things that would endear him to teammates, and whining about a successful layup doesn't strike me as just wanting to win.

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            • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

              Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
              Not sure we can call Lance selfish when he leads the team in assists
              I think that's a simplistic view, similar to thinking a guy with few assists never passes.

              Lance is good at finding the guy in scoring position. When there is no one in between or when it isn't easier to just try the shot himself. He just won't give up the ball unless there is immediate reward.

              That's what makes him so frustrating. If he would pass to the guy in position to change the direction of the play, rather than only choosing between "dribble", "shoot", "assist", he'd be the greatest team player ever, over and above any individual skills.
              BillS

              A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
              Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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              • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                How anyone can blame somebody other than Frank Vogel, Roy Hibbert or PG is beyond me. Paul has been shooting 40% since January 1st. And Roy has been averaging 4.5 rebounds over the last 11 games, lol. Pathetic.

                There is our two all stars.

                Coincidentally, we've been struggling since about the time PG started shooting 40%.

                Btw Lance is taking the same amount of shots he was early in the year, his role hasn't changed at all.

                I think Roy was referring to the trade, but either way he needs to shut up.
                Last edited by Taterhead; 03-20-2014, 04:47 PM.
                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                  Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                  It's one truth amongst many truths, and it conveniently absolved himself of blame. I never said that his statements were false anyway. I just think that veiled shots should stay behind closed doors. If you're going to take veiled shots at someone, then I hope that you yourself are at least playing well. West has more cred since he has been playing his a** off for two months, but it's just hard for me to take Hibbs' quotes seriously when he's letting no named scrubs outmuscle him.
                  Did he absolve himself from blame? Just because it's not quoted there, doesn't mean he didn't add in a "but I need to be playing better." Which I'm pretty sure I've seen a quote from Roy over the past few weeks with him saying that anways.
                  Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                  • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                    Originally posted by 90'sNBARocked View Post
                    Not sure we can call Lance selfish when he leads the team in assists
                    Lance is averaging less than 3 assists over the last 6 games. His season stats are indicative of how he's played over the course of the season, not how he's playing right now.
                    Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                    • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                      Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                      I agree with him. Just because everyone on here is freaking out doesn't mean it's the truth or going to solve anything, lol.
                      You agree with him that they're "playing pretty well"? Optimism works sometimes, but it couldn't be more disingenuous or misplaced here.

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                      • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                        Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                        Did he absolve himself from blame? Just because it's not quoted there, doesn't mean he didn't add in a "but I need to be playing better." Which I'm pretty sure I've seen a quote from Roy over the past few weeks with him saying that anways.
                        Yeah, I thought so.

                        Originally posted by Roy 3/18/2014
                        I just haven't been playing the best,” he said after scored eight points and grabbing five rebounds. “I have to do better. But we're winning and I'm happy for that. It was just good to see one of those baskets go in.”
                        Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                        • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                          Originally posted by BillS View Post
                          I think that's a simplistic view, similar to thinking a guy with few assists never passes.

                          Lance is good at finding the guy in scoring position. When there is no one in between or when it isn't easier to just try the shot himself. He just won't give up the ball unless there is immediate reward.

                          That's what makes him so frustrating. If he would pass to the guy in position to change the direction of the play, rather than only choosing between "dribble", "shoot", "assist", he'd be the greatest team player ever, over and above any individual skills.
                          So what is he doing with the ball? Cause he's only taking around 10 shots per game, leads the team in assists, shoots a good % and averages about 2-3 turnovers a game. He moves the ball just fine, people are just talking out of their butts.

                          With everything going on with the team, people are basically complaining about 1 turnover too many from 1 guy, who is easily our most consistent player. C'mon.
                          "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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                          • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            Yeah, I thought so.

                            Fair enough, good find. I still don't like him taking veiled shot at teammates because that's against what this team has been about over the last two years, but I'm sure everyone will get over it. Collectively, I just think that this team's ego got a little too big. Taking Miami to Game 7 last year and then starting out on a tear this season and reaping all of that national praise would obviously go to anyone's head, especially when you're young and experiencing the greatest success of your life. We all know that the talent is clearly there on this team. This thankfully isn't an issue of ability. I still think that this slump will ultimately be a good thing for them and I'll still be shocked beyond belief if we aren't in the ECF's.

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                            • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                              Originally posted by Taterhead View Post
                              Btw Lance is taking the same amount of shots he was early in the year, his role hasn't changed at all.
                              8 shots isn't always equal to 8 shots.

                              I've already given the stats about how Lance is depending more and more on the 3pt shot. At the beginning of the year, Lance's shots were mostly set shots off of kick outs or it was him driving the length of the court and getting buckets in transition. Now it's him pounding the ball for 5-6 seconds, and jacking up a contested 2pter, or pounding the ball waiting for his man to make a wrong step and then getting to the rim.

                              His turnovers a problem, because he's more worried about making a highlight play than just delievering the freaking ball. That pass with 2mins to go where he turned into Jenny Finch for a hot second, is the perfect example. GHill standing wide open, and Lance can't get the ball to him because he wants to be pretty.
                              Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                              • Re: Roy Hibbert calls out Lance and maybe George Hill?

                                Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                                8 shots isn't always equal to 8 shots.

                                I've already given the stats about how Lance is depending more and more on the 3pt shot. At the beginning of the year, Lance's shots were mostly set shots off of kick outs or it was him driving the length of the court and getting buckets in transition. Now it's him pounding the ball for 5-6 seconds, and jacking up a contested 2pter, or pounding the ball waiting for his man to make a wrong step and then getting to the rim.

                                His turnovers a problem, because he's more worried about making a highlight play than just delievering the freaking ball. That pass with 2mins to go where he turned into Jenny Finch for a hot second, is the perfect example. GHill standing wide open, and Lance can't get the ball to him because he wants to be pretty.
                                I agree, but that was our first turnover in the second half. He'll get better, no doubt.

                                You are focusing way too much on 1 play, when the TEAM is getting out played for an entire half most nights.

                                Is it Lance fault we get behind double digits every night? His 3 turnovers are doing that?
                                "Don't get caught watchin' the paint dry"

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