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Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

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  • #61
    Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
    Turnovers weren't a problem
    This is so, so key. If this team stays single-digits in turnovers, I guarantee they will beat any .500 or under teams 99 times out of 100. I thought that was why they won last night, actually.

    Now, vs >.500 teams, they need a little more than that.

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    • #62
      Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

      Come on folks. They're 50-17 now. Not 49-18.

      You'd probably complain about the mole on Kate Upton's face too - wouldn't you ??

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      • #63
        Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

        Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
        Come on folks. They're 50-17 now. Not 49-18.

        You'd probably complain about the mole on Kate Upton's face too - wouldn't you ??
        Wait she has a mole?

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        • #64
          Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

          Roy's effort on the boards at this point is pathetic and I'm not really sure why it is so bad. Please do not tell me that it is Lance's fault either, because that is just bologna at this point (both statistically and if you actually watch the games).

          His inability to establish position in the post is also a major issue as it used to be his biggest strength, but now he is just so willing to shoot those terrible mid ranger jumpers. He used to look to create passing opportunities out of those situations and now it is just like if he gets the ball with even an inch of space in the mid range that shot is going up and that is not how you should be talking about your 7'2" center especially since Roy is only a mediocre shooter.


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          • #65
            Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
            Posters can talk about how they looked bad all they want. If West makes even half of his gimmies, that game would have been a 15pt win going away.

            People say they want to see improvements, yet we saw plenty of them. Turnovers weren't a problem, defense stayed solid even with crappy offensive performance (which wasn't always the case over the last 2-3 weeks), PG was way more aggressive. There were others, but it's not as easy as just throwing up your arms and getting peeved.
            Agreed, Paul attacked the hoop much better. He is not whining as much (still more than he should), but considering 10 days ago he was the most infantile star in the league he has made an improvement. Hopefully he has learned that just playing hard and in attack mode will get him far more calls than *****ing to the officials every time.


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            • #66
              Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

              Plus Holis Thompson and Thaddeus young shot 8-12 from 3 last night. These are two guys who are shooing like a combined 33% on the season. You take away 4 of those 3s and it's not even a game late.


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              • #67
                Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                Wait she has a mole?
                We need to photoshop some Pacer logos on that pic. It can be our "UGLY WIN" picture.

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                • #68
                  Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                  Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                  Posters can talk about how they looked bad all they want. If West makes even half of his gimmies, that game would have been a 15pt win going away.

                  People say they want to see improvements, yet we saw plenty of them. Turnovers weren't a problem, defense stayed solid even with crappy offensive performance (which wasn't always the case over the last 2-3 weeks), PG was way more aggressive. There were others, but it's not as easy as just throwing up your arms and getting peeved.
                  Like the Wolf says in Pulp Fiction after they clean the car, "lets not start sucking each other's ***** quite yet." I'm cautiously optimistic after the four game winning streak, but these have been four garbage teams and we had to squeak some of them out by the skin of our teeth. I want to see how this squad does against some better competition.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                    Originally posted by PacerDude View Post
                    Come on folks. They're 50-17 now. Not 49-18.

                    You'd probably complain about the mole on Kate Upton's face too - wouldn't you ??
                    Originally posted by Ragnar View Post
                    Wait she has a mole?
                    she has a face?

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                    • #70
                      Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                      Funny thing about that, that's the phraseology (usually sub-out d**k with something else, or just imply it) when I hear commentators ramble on about how good player Y is.

                      No, no d**k sucking here. Denari used the word "underwhelmed" at half time, which stuck with me because I thought it was pretty spot on. I would have went with "uninspired." The full energy wasn't there, but there were lots of positives last night. Outside of Roy just plain sucking, and West not being able to buy a bucket, I thought it wasn't too bad.
                      Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        His inability to establish position in the post is also a major issue.
                        This! This! This!

                        I know that PG, Lance, and Hill aren't the best passers in the game, but when alot of posters come here and complain about Roy not getting the ball enough, or that so-and-so isn't passing him the ball, it's because of THIS! Roy gets hip-checked out of position too easily. I'm not sure if it's his frame, his stance, or what. I've seen on more than a few occasions where Roy is in position to get the ball, and the second whomever is passing releases the rock, Roy's defender muscles him out of position using mid/lower strength, and is able to intercept or get a good swipe at the ball. Or if Roy does get control of the ball, he's been pushed out and away of the basket.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                          Originally posted by crunk-juice View Post
                          tired of this excuse. yeah there's a little bit to it, but our talent absolutely dwarfs Philly's. our average game should crush them unless they hit 15 threes or something.


                          say whatever you want, this team is playing like crap. so much standing around, so many careless plays, so many close games against crappy teams. if they dont turn it around quick, we're getting blown out by teams like CHI and MEM on the road
                          I'm tired of *this* stuff: "If we were playing CHI and MEM, we'd get killed."

                          There's absolutely no proof of this. Philly has played us tough; they may have lost 20 in a row, but that was not a bad team out there, they played with a lot of pride, and we're a BIG target these days. Winning sure has spoiled some of us. Basketball is a past-time; I've enjoyed watching this team through thick and thin. Winning is a bonus. It's not a guarantee, and it's absolutely nothing you can demand of this team. It's absolutely hilarious that people get on here all high and mighty as if this team is "disappointing them". Being "upset" and acting like this team isn't "meeting your standards" because we only won by 9 is just hilarious. Get a grip. Team is 50-17, for Pete's Sake, and there's this contingency of folks pissed off? Would you like to go back to 2007, and the JOB days?
                          Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 03-18-2014, 11:37 AM.
                          There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                          • #73
                            Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                            It's been a long time since I've felt disappointed by a win, but I must say last night's game left me disappointed.

                            Watched the whole game twice, and I guess I'd simply say that the team wasn't playing together at all. A lot of individual efforts against a team that clearly is nowhere near as talented from top to bottom. The fact that this game was even a contest in the 4th is just off, IMO.

                            If I were to write a prescription for our starting 5, I'd order the following:

                            Hill: Become more multidimensional offensively... driving works almost every time for the team, what's up with being parked on the perimeter most of the game lately?

                            Stephenson: Slow the roll/flash and concentrate on accuracy. At this point in the season, he knows his teammates. When does it start becoming his fault when he slings these bullet passes to players who have shown repeatedly that they can't handle them? When a couple of these circumstances happen, he then feels the need to go hero/iso mode in response. Fail. Lance, we know you're talented... please just focus on team wins. Something's up with him. He plays to me like he's auditioning for his next contract for another team.

                            George: More humility in his style, and playing within himself. He needs to stop believing that he's so skilled that all shots, no matter how contested they are, are shots he can make. Yes, he's insanely talented... but so is Lebron, and we don't see Lebron trying to drive to the post on Hibbert anymore, do we?

                            West: Practice layups, particularly in transition. Without question, the best midrange shooter on our team, but he's had a steady decline on simple plays in the post... last night was a good example of this. Given his size, he should be a 60-65% shooter in the post, IMO.

                            Hibbert: Get out of his own head. It's becoming too predictable to not be real: when Hibbert starts feeling bad about himself, he shrinks. What's making it worse lately is all of the social media and places like this board suggesting that Bynum is a better player than he is. Mahinmi OTOH, seems to fight harder when his position in the pecking order is at risk. Hibbert starts disengaging and playing small.

                            The talent is there in spades, and they've shown that when they play together that they are almost unstoppable.

                            It's frustrating to see these kinds of regressions, and to not see more passion. How can they follow up the Detroit game with this display? I don't get it.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                              This game showed Vogel still has no clue on his rotations off the bench. He should've played Allen at backup center. The guy went 6 for 6 vs. Philly last Friday! Copeland instead of Scola, let Solo play back up 2, Evan moves to backup PG, and Butler at backup SF. That bench would've built us a major cushion going into 4th quarter.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                                Originally posted by docpaul View Post
                                West: Practice layups, particularly in transition. Without question, the best midrange shooter on our team, but he's had a steady decline on simple plays in the post... last night was a good example of this. Given his size, he should be a 60-65% shooter in the post, IMO.
                                Admittedly, this makes me a bit nervous. If anyone remembers West vs MIA last year, his rim game was just gone, missed layups left & right. Dude had no legs left. I'm a bit worried Vogel has asked too much of him this year, and he'll again be taxed by the time he would prospectively even reach the ECFs.

                                Also highlights how dumb it is going to be if this team DOESN'T close out the home stretch by locking down #1 in the East. Will have sacrificed rest for nothing.

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