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Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

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  • #91
    Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

    Originally posted by pogi View Post
    I believe that it's mere coincedence. Seriously, like half the teams we played this year had someone who normally doesn't shoot well, or often, and suddenly they're going off whether we have 3 guys guarding them at the same time or not. This is why I believe (or hope) that we'll be ok once the playoffs start. We've been #1, at least, 90% of the season, and everybody and their mama wants to be one of the ones that gives us a loss. And I've watched quite of few games of other teams, just to see them play us, and someone's unnormally playing out of their mind, and I'm left thinking like Starks..."Did dis dude jus do dat?"
    if it happens that often, it is not a coincidence. Just like in the previous game vs Philly, we were leaving Mullens open from 3 and he hit a couple. All it takes is getting into a rhythm. Just like the post on 8 points 9 seconds last week about how we suck at defending the three now, that has a large reason to do with it. We just aren't closing out on guys like we should be.

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    • #92
      Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

      I just don't understand why moles are believed to be negative. I find them beautiful.
      Originally posted by IrishPacer
      Empty vessels make the most noise.

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      • #93
        Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

        There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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        • #94
          Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

          Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
          if it happens that often, it is not a coincidence. Just like in the previous game vs Philly, we were leaving Mullens open from 3 and he hit a couple. All it takes is getting into a rhythm. Just like the post on 8 points 9 seconds last week about how we suck at defending the three now, that has a large reason to do with it. We just aren't closing out on guys like we should be.
          But I've seen games where the opponents are having so good a night, they could shoot blindfolded and hit. For instance, the Sacramento game....Nobody was gonna stop Thornton that game. He was just on fire. We could've had whomever was on the floor quit guarding their guys and surround Thornton and he'd still shoot one in our eye.

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          • #95
            Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

            Originally posted by pogi View Post
            But I've seen games where the opponents are having so good a night, they could shoot blindfolded and hit. For instance, the Sacramento game....Nobody was gonna stop Thornton that game. He was just on fire. We could've had whomever was on the floor quit guarding their guys and surround Thornton and he'd still shoot one in our eye.
            That game was a bit different. Sacramento was running Thorton off screens like crazy, on every single play. They were actively trying to get him open looks as they knew they needed him too score to make up for missing Gay and Cousins. I was at that game. They were literally setting two screen for the guy to run around, and he was losing Lance and PG around them.

            Mullens being open was literally him just camping the three point line. Same thing with Charlie V in Detroit the other night.

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            • #96
              Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

              Originally posted by Grimp View Post
              LaVoy can shoot for starters. Do you realize he put up 13 points 2 blocks and 4 bounds in his first game getting significant minutes off the bench as a Pacer? When was the last time Ian gave us over 10 pts?
              I asked this the other night...but can't find the answer. I know that LaVoy went 6-6 from the field...but was that points off of put-backs, uncontested buckets when the defense collapsed on another Player ( leaving him open ) or Janitor-like scoring?

              or

              Was it off of jump shots facing the basket or buckets that he was able to create on his own?
              Ash from Army of Darkness: Good...Bad...I'm the guy with the gun.

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              • #97
                Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                Originally posted by CableKC View Post
                I asked this the other night...but can't find the answer. I know that LaVoy went 6-6 from the field...but was that points off of put-backs, uncontested buckets when the defense collapsed on another Player ( leaving him open ) or Janitor-like scoring?

                or

                Was it off of jump shots facing the basket or buckets that he was able to create on his own?



                One or two from jumpers. One was a long jumper, like Scola range. The others were from backdoor cuts, Sixer defense slacking. He is under the basket, gets a pass, and puts it in. He is a smart player, cuts well. Also goes up quick when he gets the ball. No fakes or procrastinating. Also he has good hands. Better than Ian "butterfingers". Ian would give us 12 off the bench too if he'd put in half of the balls he drops underneath the basket. A big man can make a killing down there if he doesn't fumble the rock.

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                • #98
                  Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                  Originally posted by Nuntius View Post
                  I just don't understand why moles are believed to be negative. I find them beautiful.
                  I think the unwritten rule is as such: If you are a beautiful woman, it's a "beauty mark". If you are a hideous creature from the bowels of Mordor, it's a "mole".

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                  • #99
                    Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                    Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                    *Looks at Vogel's rotations*
                    *Looks at Vogel's/Pacer's Win/Loss record*
                    *Concludes Vogel doesn't understand rotations*


                    When 50-17 is proof your HC doesn't know what he's doing......
                    He's a great coach.......one of the best in franchise history. But he's not above criticism....very few people in basketball are. He's not Red Auerbach yet. There are a few head scratching things that he does. You get a brand new player in Lavoy Allen who in his very first game with the team goes for 13 points on 6-6 and 4 rebounds. He hasn't got another minute since then, while we continue to play a guy in Scola who has looked like crap for a while. That is just stubborn rigidness. I would think that a coach would want to see what he had in a player like Allen.

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                    • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                      I fell asleep at half-time. Woke up midway through the third and the score was barely any different... then fell asleep again.
                      Pacers fan since April 9th 2004 - New Jersey 80 Indiana 90.
                      Been to 42 Pacers games since November 2017.

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                      • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                        Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                        He's a great coach.......one of the best in franchise history. But he's not above criticism....very few people in basketball are. He's not Red Auerbach yet. There are a few head scratching things that he does. You get a brand new player in Lavoy Allen who in his very first game with the team goes for 13 points on 6-6 and 4 rebounds. He hasn't got another minute since then, while we continue to play a guy in Scola who has looked like crap for a while. That is just stubborn rigidness. I would think that a coach would want to see what he had in a player like Allen.
                        Ehh, Scola has started to turn it around lately imo. Either way, it's not like the only information we have on Lavoy Allen is his one game in the rotation here. He played quite a few minutes for Philly before the trade, and he wasn't a world beater. His one real game for us he played great in his hometown against his former team, who is awful. He played well enough to warrant some spot minutes, especially with Bynum's knee being fluidy and Ian nursing sore ribs, but I don't think he deserves PT over Scola (or Copeland, for that matter).

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                        • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                          Originally posted by Sollozzo View Post
                          He's a great coach.......one of the best in franchise history. But he's not above criticism....very few people in basketball are. He's not Red Auerbach yet. There are a few head scratching things that he does. You get a brand new player in Lavoy Allen who in his very first game with the team goes for 13 points on 6-6 and 4 rebounds. He hasn't got another minute since then, while we continue to play a guy in Scola who has looked like crap for a while. That is just stubborn rigidness. I would think that a coach would want to see what he had in a player like Allen.
                          I understand. But he's calling for LaVoy because he went 6-6 during one game. The guy is a career 45% shooter.
                          Just because you're offended, doesn't mean you're right.” ― Ricky Gervais.

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                          • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                            Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                            I understand. But he's calling for LaVoy because he went 6-6 during one game. The guy is a career 45% shooter.

                            I agree, I'm not saying that he's going to be some stud or anything. But not getting a single minute since then is a bit bizarre.

                            As someone who still has a lot of faith in Scola, I think a little bit of rest really could help. Delicate situation, but he's no spring chicken anymore. In the playoffs, I want the November/December Scola who was one of the better bench players in the league.

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                            • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                              Originally posted by Since86 View Post
                              I understand. But he's calling for LaVoy because he went 6-6 during one game. The guy is a career 45% shooter.
                              His young legs are good too. Scola has 34 year old guy legs. LaVoy would help greatly against a team like the Knicks. Also playing Copeland instead of Scola would stretch the floor. A bench of.......



                              Copeland
                              Solo/Butler
                              LaVoy
                              Turner
                              CJ



                              has more firepower than....



                              Scola
                              Turner
                              Ian
                              Lance
                              CJ




                              And please, stop playing Lance with the bench. So annoying.

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                              • Re: Pacers Sixers Post Game Thread Even the Crowd Was Asleep

                                Originally posted by Grimp View Post
                                His young legs are good too. Scola has 34 year old guy legs. LaVoy would help greatly against a team like the Knicks. Also playing Copeland instead of Scola would stretch the floor. A bench of.......



                                Copeland
                                Solo/Butler
                                LaVoy
                                Turner
                                CJ



                                has more firepower than....



                                Scola
                                Turner
                                Ian
                                Lance
                                CJ




                                And please, stop playing Lance with the bench. So annoying.
                                And I think that's the problem many people see with your suggestions - "more firepower" does not always mean "better unit".

                                Especially since the downfall last year was platooning the starters and bench separately - much of our success this year has been, I believe, due to very very seldom having no starters on the floor (a HUGE change from last year).
                                BillS

                                A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
                                Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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