That 2nd half was horrid, our offense makes me sad.
That 2nd half was horrid, our offense makes me sad.
Playing a team that has lost 20 in a row, of course they were motivated to go into Indy and try to get a win. The next week will tell us a lot about the true direction the Pacers are headed.
tired of this excuse. yeah there's a little bit to it, but our talent absolutely dwarfs Philly's. our average game should crush them unless they hit 15 threes or something.
say whatever you want, this team is playing like crap. so much standing around, so many careless plays, so many close games against crappy teams. if they dont turn it around quick, we're getting blown out by teams like CHI and MEM on the road
I'm tired of *this* stuff: "If we were playing CHI and MEM, we'd get killed."
There's absolutely no proof of this. Philly has played us tough; they may have lost 20 in a row, but that was not a bad team out there, they played with a lot of pride, and we're a BIG target these days. Winning sure has spoiled some of us. Basketball is a past-time; I've enjoyed watching this team through thick and thin. Winning is a bonus. It's not a guarantee, and it's absolutely nothing you can demand of this team. It's absolutely hilarious that people get on here all high and mighty as if this team is "disappointing them". Being "upset" and acting like this team isn't "meeting your standards" because we only won by 9 is just hilarious. Get a grip. Team is 50-17, for Pete's Sake, and there's this contingency of folks pissed off? Would you like to go back to 2007, and the JOB days?
Last edited by Kid Minneapolis; 03-18-2014 at 10:37 AM.
We're on a 4 game winning streak.
Just tossing some facts out there.
The relevant information will be our final seeding when the regular season ends.
If we end up in the #1 seed, are we really going to be sitting here saying "Well golly gee, we really should have beaten the Sixers by more points... We have no chance to make the Finals."
Come on man. We're in the stretch run of the season. We've had highs and lows. We're finding a way to win games against bad competition. Would you rather we had lost instead? Or extended our 4 game LOSING streak?
This next week will be a huge test, but right now I am thankful we took care of business. By 1 point or 50 points is completely irrelevant to everyone except people looking for things to complain about.
I don't care about streaks or margin of victory. I care about the "eye test" and level of play. the same problems that have killed us recently against quality opponents haven't gone anywhere, we have just been facing very weak competition.
I'm not saying we can't or won't turn it around and start playing like we're capable, I'm just saying that it sure hasn't happened yet.
Yep, still things we have to adjust and tighten up before the playoffs roll around. And during our stretch against tough teams coming up next.
But, I guess I just don't understand why we can't be happy about recording a W?
But whatever, some folks will just never be satisfied. That's ok. I have no right to tell you you're wrong.
Me though? I'm pretty happy we won.
I understand that you are probably coming at it from the "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" angle and in that regard I can agree. You gotta get wins regardless so in that way they got the job done.
But we are also trying to evaluate possible future outcomes against more challenging opponents and 4-0 in that set of games is not impressive when the games were struggles against tanking teams. I did think they looked more coordinated in the Detroit game, specifically on offense, but tonight they returned to a lot of junk ball with terrible passing options and lots of iso attacks. They lived off of Lance or Paul just beating their man straight up.
Look at all the awkward passes to Luis or Ian or West (or from West) that had them trying to catch the ball in terrible position to make a play. Look at how often they continued to attack double teams head on rather than rotating the ball.
Heck, that last jump ball with Hill when he got tied up at HC, he had Turner alone in the corner well before he was pinned down and he chose to hold onto the ball till he got stuffed...and then lost the tip as well.
Sure there were moments of quality, a blip or two of decent 2 man plays that would free a guy for an open jumper. But for the most part they were severely jammed up on offense and looked almost summer league confused. I'm honestly stumped as to the "why" and I sure thought maybe they sorted it out against Detroit when clearly they hadn't.
The game itself just sucked. MCWilliams took a ton of bad shots, Young hit a ton of bad shots, and the Pacers offense was even more putrid. It almost looked like 2 teams both on the take trying to outdo each other to avoid accidentally winning. How else do you explain TWO OOB fouls at the end of a game like this? At that point Philly still had a shot to win if they didn't hand over 2 free points for no good reason. They refused to let Indy lose.
I think guys are trying hard, I just think that effort is not very well synched up. I like the team still, and some bad play is never going to have me dump on guys like Roy or West or PG. These are our boys, they aren't bringing shame to the city here, they just aren't playing the sport very well as a team right now. It's painful to watch but I'm not angry at them.
That's really what I've been trying to say.
I don't at all disagree that the team is struggling in many regards.
But despite that we've won 4 games in a row and 'righted the ship' so to speak after a BAD four game skid.
I'm not saying that everything is magically better and we're unstoppable or anything. But I do think that we need to look at the big picture here and say to ourselves, "Good thing we managed to find a way to get these W's, even though they were ugly and we weren't playing our best ball, because they are going to be vital in the playoff seeding."
But instead, many people just like to complain about the WAY we won.
It's almost as if the Pacers playing poorly and yet still finding a way in "Winning Time(TM)" to gut out a victory is an affront to their sensibilities, or somehow offensive to them.
That's what I just don't understand. And quite frankly, it just puts a damper on the board, in my humble opinion.
I have no problem with folks talking about areas of needed improvement.
But the constant "So and so is GARBAGE. Why didn't we dump them!?" - "We're not a contender if we don't beat so and so by 40 points" - "When will our guys start CARING again, they are lazy, good for nothing bums."
I can only speak for myself personally here, but good grief do those posts get old.
We won! It counts as a +1 in the "W" column.
When we get to the playoffs, we will have plenty of time to scrutinize each and every game with a microscope. The team will either put forth winning efforts and achieve their goals, or they won't and we'll sit here and have lively discussions as to why we think it happened.
But right now, we just need to solidify our seeding. So let's be happy when we get closer to achieving that, yea?
BUT, even if we aren't playing 'great' - but we manage to find a way to win those games... Are we still going to throw the team under the bus?
That's what I just don't get.
We haven't been playing great. We haven't been facing good competition. I understand that. But we've won 4 games in a row. We're maintaining and expanding our slim lead on the #1 seed.
*IF* our play slacks and we lose to higher quality competition, I'll be the first one to be frustrated and wish we would fix some things.
But we're not there yet. The games have yet to be played and already everyone is predicting doom for the upcoming stretch.
Just wish the team would get the benefit of the doubt around here more. I think they've earned it.
A good win, Philly was motivated and playing with out consequence. But I kept seeing PG and Lance make questionable decisions on offense. They just don't share the ball and move it around the court.
Though I think Roy's nonexistent offense contributes to this, as teams really don't even half to account for him anymore. He can barely finish around the rim anymore. Not surprised at this point he was horrible last year as well. Pacers need to approach the playoffs with the idea that Roy is not going to be able to give them much. So they need to set up some back door screens to get the wings rolling to the basket. CAuse its pretty clear...Hibbert is useless down there.
Last edited by graphic-er; 03-17-2014 at 08:55 PM.
You can't get champagne from a garden hose.
Good win by the Pacers!
we win, to continue our 4 game winning streak, and people complain because we didn't win big enough smh
Roy got blocked by a point guard.... Lol.. Smh
PG went no homo w/ that dunk!! Hardy har....
What you own is your own kingdom
What you do is your own glory
What you love is your own power
What you live is your own story
Anyone remotely concerned or upset by the Pacers performance needs to stop taking little things so seriously and over analyzing. Trust me, it'll be better for you in the long run.