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We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

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  • #46
    Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

    Originally posted by P_George View Post
    George Hill was probably our best starter tonight. If someone is bashing him they should stfu. This offense doesn't require a traditional PG, never has and never will.
    1. ghill wasnt better than paul george or lance
    2. offensively, he had a good scoring night.
    3. did you watch him attempt to play defense tonight?

    this has nothing to do with him being a traditional PG, it has to do with him getting beat off the dribble and deciding that PG or Lance didnt deserve a touch in the final 3 minutes before the game got out of hand

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    • #47
      Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

      Originally posted by BlueNGold View Post
      No doubt. I read these posts about Copeland being the savior and I about smh off my shoulders. This team has serious issues having lost 4 games in a row and while they weren't completely blown out they look disorganized on offense. They look unfocused on defense. There's something else going on with this team. Nobody is talking though. I think Bird ticked off some of them. JMHO.
      Well, our biggest issue bar none is scoring on the bench. Who's our best shooter on the entire team? Probably Copeland. He will help. Bynum will help(Mahimi stinks and has always stunk). Butler can contribute. Two of those three guys have no reason to NOT be getting more time and yet Vogel is stubborn as hell. He's annoyingly stubborn. This is a good team and for whatever reason, he hates shooters.
      Dear P_George,
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      • #48
        Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

        Originally posted by PG-24 View Post
        1. ghill wasnt better than paul george or lance
        2. offensively, he had a good scoring night.
        3. did you watch him attempt to play defense tonight?

        this has nothing to do with him being a traditional PG, it has to do with him getting beat off the dribble and deciding that PG or Lance didnt deserve a touch in the final 3 minutes before the game got out of hand
        His defense wasn't a problem at all. When teams run pick and roll all game long, others have to step out and do their part. That's the point of the PnR, teams are picking on West and Hibbert's inability to step out and defense.

        Don't take this wrong, but I question how much basketball you've played in your life ... you don't know how annoying it is to defend in a PnR situation until you've done it.
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        • #49
          Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

          Originally posted by P_George View Post
          His defense wasn't a problem at all. When teams run pick and roll all game long, others have to step out and do their part. That's the point of the PnR, teams are picking on West and Hibbert's inability to step out and defense.

          Don't take this wrong, but I question how much basketball you've played in your life ... you don't know how annoying it is to defend in a PnR situation until you've done it.
          yea and he needs to recover. its very annoying, ive played basketball my whole life. its basic understanding that if youre going to guard the pnr like we do, you need to recover so the #2 defender can get back to his man.

          just because its annoying doesnt mean he gets a pass. most of their offense was initiated by PnR and since we recover slow (and have for the last 3 years), we get killed.

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          • #50
            Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

            if youre gonna sit here and tell me george hill played good pick and roll defense tonight, then maybe you need to be questioning yourself. he struggles with quick guards, always has and always will. with CJ, we win this game.

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            • #51
              Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

              5-6 lobs at the rim because hibbert had to show on the PG for 3-4 seconds while the primary defender took his sweet time getting back on calderon or harris. this causes constant rotations. when you show on defense, it is basicaly a double team since two men are dedicated to one player for a short period of time. its how harris got all his open looks.

              but sure, ive never played or coached basketball lol. PGs shot damn near 60% but GHill's defense was fine, ok man.

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              • #52
                Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                Originally posted by TMJ31 View Post
                I wouldn't go nearly that far.

                He has been a Godsend to this franchise since his arrival on so many levels.

                But right now, as one of his ardent supporters, I have to admit to being very frustrated with him.

                I think that possibly due to his 'uber positive' mentality, he is hesitant to "send a message" to guys like Scola who are just stinking it up on the court.

                What detriment would there be having Cope on the floor over Scola right now? There is literally nothing that Cope would do that could possibly be WORSE than what Scola is doing. And I like Luis!

                I know everyone is concerned about Cope being a step slow on defense. Well Scola is 2 steps slow right now. At least Cope has range to stretch the defense and put points on the board.

                But Frank just refuses to budge from his rotation, despite the glaringly obvious struggles.

                He has his reasons I am sure. I'm doing my best to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I think he's earned it.

                But it's frustrating. The Scola/Cope thing is just 1 of several big issues that he is really stubborn about right now.
                i hear ya. i loved what scola was doing for us for a good while. even though his defense was bad, he was still a positive since he was efficient at scoring. but if he isn't hitting, he is a liability out there. maybe it's just me but it seems like his defense is even worse now than earlier in the season.
                as of now, there is no reason i can find to justify playing scola over cope. if scola's elbow is bugging him, rest him and play cope. and yes, cope's defense is no worse than luis.

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                • #53
                  Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                  Admire you guys for watching. When a team this talented plays so poor it is maddening. I could stomach bad basketball in 2007 when our players other than Danny weren't any good but I can't take this.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                    Originally posted by PG-24 View Post
                    if youre gonna sit here and tell me george hill played good pick and roll defense tonight, then maybe you need to be questioning yourself. he struggles with quick guards, always has and always will. with CJ, we win this game.
                    100% agree with you, George Hill struggles with all quick guards......Hell, even Dan Dakich knows that and I don't agree most of the stuff that spews from his mouth.
                    Larry Bird and Ryan Grigson- wasting the talents of Paul George and Andrew Luck

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                    • #55
                      Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                      Originally posted by Mr_Smith View Post
                      100% agree with you, George Hill struggles with all quick guards......Hell, even Dan Dakich knows that and I don't agree most of the stuff that spews from his mouth.
                      Who doesn't struggle with quick guards? Most of the reason why quick guards are good tends to be because they are quicker than the guy guarding them 95% of the time.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        Scola has turned into a lazy **** btw. Dude stands around in every facet of the game. Doesn't rebound, doesn't defense, doesn't move on offense. Lazy, lazy, lazy. This was one of the knocks against him in Phoenix last year too that he was often just lazy.
                        My big knock on him last year and the reason he was so bad for that Phoenix team was his shot selection. He needs to post up way more than he does. His jump shot has been broke the past two seasons. It was awful in Phoenix and still bad this year. I wouldn't call him lazy he does play hard, but right now he just doesn't look right.

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                        • #57
                          Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                          Originally posted by Eleazar View Post
                          Who doesn't struggle with quick guards? Most of the reason why quick guards are good tends to be because they are quicker than the guy guarding them 95% of the time.
                          CJ Watson defends quick guards fairly well.

                          if you are going to defend at the point of attack, youre going to end up guarding quick players. doesnt mean george hill gets the pass that everyone wants to give him because hes slow. what if he has to match up with john wall for a series?

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                          • #58
                            Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                            why did we even sign Copeland if we are never going to play him? Give Butler minutes if Turner is just going to be a mental midget. AT least Rasual can hit 3s and play competent defense.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                              The Mavs did play well. Harris, Monta-Ellis-have-it-all, Vince, and Jose were all penetrating at will. Our perimeter players directing their men into the paint have been more Shyamalan than Spielberg for a minute now. Our offense is still the worst part of our defense, but our work on the perimeter is trying to change that. CJ had been doing some of this too, but still, we need some bench scoring threat.

                              Ian Report: I'm very close to giving him an 'incomplete' for this game. The way Scola is playing (with Frank's evident insistence) is leaving Mahinmi in purgatory. Vogel took Ian out less than a minute into the fourth. At half, he was tied for our leading scorer after splitting a pair at the line after a good pass from Turner. Face it, if Ian is in position to lead the bench in scoring, things are pretty ****ed. All that and he has to cover for Evan's "defense", Luis' everything, and Lance's inconsistency? That isn't going to fly; that's not a position that Vogel can put the well-mannered defensive specialist in. 'C+' I guess, though 'INC' is more appropriate because you can grade someone on his role, when the team plays in a way that negates the point of roles.
                              You Got The Tony!!!!!!

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                              • #60
                                Re: Post Game Thread Pacers Mavericks

                                i remember when our guards used to force their guys to the paint and hibbert would alter a shot. good ol days. dudes feet are in quicksand since december.

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