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    5-6 lobs at the rim because hibbert had to show on the PG for 3-4 seconds while the primary defender took his sweet time getting back on calderon or harris. this causes constant rotations. when you show on defense, it is basicaly a double team since two men are dedicated to one player for a short period of time. its how harris got all his open looks.

    but sure, ive never played or coached basketball lol. PGs shot damn near 60% but GHill's defense was fine, ok man.

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    I wouldn't go nearly that far.

    He has been a Godsend to this franchise since his arrival on so many levels.

    But right now, as one of his ardent supporters, I have to admit to being very frustrated with him.

    I think that possibly due to his 'uber positive' mentality, he is hesitant to "send a message" to guys like Scola who are just stinking it up on the court.

    What detriment would there be having Cope on the floor over Scola right now? There is literally nothing that Cope would do that could possibly be WORSE than what Scola is doing. And I like Luis!

    I know everyone is concerned about Cope being a step slow on defense. Well Scola is 2 steps slow right now. At least Cope has range to stretch the defense and put points on the board.

    But Frank just refuses to budge from his rotation, despite the glaringly obvious struggles.

    He has his reasons I am sure. I'm doing my best to give him the benefit of the doubt, because I think he's earned it.

    But it's frustrating. The Scola/Cope thing is just 1 of several big issues that he is really stubborn about right now.
    i hear ya. i loved what scola was doing for us for a good while. even though his defense was bad, he was still a positive since he was efficient at scoring. but if he isn't hitting, he is a liability out there. maybe it's just me but it seems like his defense is even worse now than earlier in the season.
    as of now, there is no reason i can find to justify playing scola over cope. if scola's elbow is bugging him, rest him and play cope. and yes, cope's defense is no worse than luis.

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    Admire you guys for watching. When a team this talented plays so poor it is maddening. I could stomach bad basketball in 2007 when our players other than Danny weren't any good but I can't take this.

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    if youre gonna sit here and tell me george hill played good pick and roll defense tonight, then maybe you need to be questioning yourself. he struggles with quick guards, always has and always will. with CJ, we win this game.
    100% agree with you, George Hill struggles with all quick guards......Hell, even Dan Dakich knows that and I don't agree most of the stuff that spews from his mouth.
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    100% agree with you, George Hill struggles with all quick guards......Hell, even Dan Dakich knows that and I don't agree most of the stuff that spews from his mouth.
    Who doesn't struggle with quick guards? Most of the reason why quick guards are good tends to be because they are quicker than the guy guarding them 95% of the time.

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    Scola has turned into a lazy **** btw. Dude stands around in every facet of the game. Doesn't rebound, doesn't defense, doesn't move on offense. Lazy, lazy, lazy. This was one of the knocks against him in Phoenix last year too that he was often just lazy.
    My big knock on him last year and the reason he was so bad for that Phoenix team was his shot selection. He needs to post up way more than he does. His jump shot has been broke the past two seasons. It was awful in Phoenix and still bad this year. I wouldn't call him lazy he does play hard, but right now he just doesn't look right.

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    Who doesn't struggle with quick guards? Most of the reason why quick guards are good tends to be because they are quicker than the guy guarding them 95% of the time.
    CJ Watson defends quick guards fairly well.

    if you are going to defend at the point of attack, youre going to end up guarding quick players. doesnt mean george hill gets the pass that everyone wants to give him because hes slow. what if he has to match up with john wall for a series?

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    why did we even sign Copeland if we are never going to play him? Give Butler minutes if Turner is just going to be a mental midget. AT least Rasual can hit 3s and play competent defense.

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    The Mavs did play well. Harris, Monta-Ellis-have-it-all, Vince, and Jose were all penetrating at will. Our perimeter players directing their men into the paint have been more Shyamalan than Spielberg for a minute now. Our offense is still the worst part of our defense, but our work on the perimeter is trying to change that. CJ had been doing some of this too, but still, we need some bench scoring threat.

    Ian Report: I'm very close to giving him an 'incomplete' for this game. The way Scola is playing (with Frank's evident insistence) is leaving Mahinmi in purgatory. Vogel took Ian out less than a minute into the fourth. At half, he was tied for our leading scorer after splitting a pair at the line after a good pass from Turner. Face it, if Ian is in position to lead the bench in scoring, things are pretty ****ed. All that and he has to cover for Evan's "defense", Luis' everything, and Lance's inconsistency? That isn't going to fly; that's not a position that Vogel can put the well-mannered defensive specialist in. 'C+' I guess, though 'INC' is more appropriate because you can grade someone on his role, when the team plays in a way that negates the point of roles.

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    i remember when our guards used to force their guys to the paint and hibbert would alter a shot. good ol days. dudes feet are in quicksand since december.

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    To me, where we are losing these games are on defense and rebounding. These were the two trademarks of this team early in our season. On defense, we usually played man, straight-up. Now we have guys double-teaming, leaving their guys, gambling, and it burns us almost every time.

    Our defense usually fuels our offense.

    We also aren't team rebounding like we were. Before, every man blocked out, and it made it very hard for opposing teams to get to the ball. Now we rarely box anyone out.

    If we play D, and we rebound the ball, we'll get this figured out. But in the meanwhile, if we place all our focus on offense, we're going to force things, turn the ball over, and we're going to keep losing. We're not built that way. We are built to defend and rebound. Nowadays, opponents are shooting 45% or more, and hitting the century mark almost every game.

    Tonight we made some progress towards fixing some things, but you could tell most of the guys' focus was on the offensive end. Guys, you're going to lose every time you go that route. Get back to defending and rebounding as your focus.
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    roy hibbert rebounding totals: 5,3,4,3,4,5. nice.

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    I blame the aliens choosing tonight to return Ed Sorensen to earth after being off the radar for 15 years.
    Seeing Ed Sorensen was a bit scary. WTF happened to him??? He looked about
    50 years older than what I remembered him looking like.

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    How pissed do you think Bird is right now? I mean he has to be furious right?

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    And the bench was awful. Scola really needs to be benched for Copeland.
    Agreed.

    Also, if you're just going to have Evan Turner camp behind the 3 point line in the corner, you should have just kept Danny. Use him properly, for Gods sake. That really jumped out at me tonight. We're wasting him using him that way.

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    Yeah seriously, what happened to the nice sets we were running for Turner? They have just completely disappeared.

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    I don't know what's wrong with the Pacers as much as I don't know what's wrong with Ed Sorenson.

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    Agreed.

    Also, if you're just going to have Evan Turner camp behind the 3 point line in the corner, you should have just kept Danny. Use him properly, for Gods sake. That really jumped out at me tonight. We're wasting him using him that way.
    It doesen't seem like Frank is very good at putting guys in the best position to succede offensively. This is evident in our starters, but even more obvious with the bench. He doesn't really change up the sets based on personnel at all. I feel like Frank's subs go like this:

    Vogel: "Ok Ian , you go be Hibbert. Scola, pretend you are West. Watson will be Hill, Turner you do your best Granger impersonation, and Lance...you're still Lance. Go!"

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    Turner is bad, not the only one but hes had one good game here, his first one. That garbage game he had 22 doesn't count for me. I said this in the game thread, I can't belelieve I didn't realize how limited his athleticism is for the nba. Really disappointed in his court vision to which negates his good handles. He's struggling.

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    Turner is bad, not the only one but hes had one good game here, his first one. That garbage game he had 22 doesn't count for me. I said this in the game thread, I can't belelieve I didn't realize how limited his athleticism is for the nba. Really disappointed in his court vision to which negates his good handles. He's struggling.
    Really bad idea to categorize one brand new teammates' individual game when the entire team is sucking.

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    Turner is bad, not the only one but hes had one good game here, his first one. That garbage game he had 22 doesn't count for me. I said this in the game thread, I can't belelieve I didn't realize how limited his athleticism is for the nba. Really disappointed in his court vision to which negates his good handles. He's struggling.
    very limitied athletically, but found a nice mid range jumper, but we want him chucking up 3s. really weird to camp him out at the 3 pt line

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    Also this team needs some good home practice. The offense is stagnant and the ball doesn't move. A lot of hero ball happens then. Defense is not rugged. It's all around a bad place. Time to turn it around they are better than this.

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    I mean Bird did everything he could to fix the bench, yet this is what we get. That has to be on the coaches, right?

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    I mean Bird did everything he could to fix the bench, yet this is what we get. That has to be on the coaches, right?
    well, look at all the bench payers from last year and how they are performing has to fall on vogel. DJ, Green and Plumlee are all playing pretty good.

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    Come on guys. It takes time when you have in-season personnel changes. Even without change, it's normal to have bad periods. When they happen, everything/everyone looks bad. It'll get worked out.

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