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Pacers Digest is intended to be a place to discuss basketball without having to deal with the kinds of behaviors or attitudes that distract people from sticking with the discussion of the topics at hand. These unwanted distractions can come in many forms, and admittedly it can sometimes be tricky to pin down each and every kind that can rear its ugly head, but we feel that the following examples and explanations cover at least a good portion of that ground and should at least give people a pretty good idea of the kinds of things we actively discourage:

"Anyone who __________ is a liar / a fool / an idiot / a blind homer / has their head buried in the sand / a blind hater / doesn't know basketball / doesn't watch the games"

"People with intelligence will agree with me when I say that __________"

"Only stupid people think / believe / do ___________"

"I can't wait to hear something from PosterX when he/she sees that **insert a given incident or current event that will have probably upset or disappointed PosterX here**"

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"This thread is stupid / worthless / embarrassing"

"I'm going to take a moment to point and / laugh at PosterX / GroupOfPeopleY who thought / believed *insert though/belief here*"

"Remember when PosterX said OldCommentY that no longer looks good? "

In general, if a comment goes from purely on topic to something 'ad hominem' (personal jabs, personal shots, attacks, flames, however you want to call it, towards a person, or a group of people, or a given city/state/country of people), those are most likely going to be found intolerable.

We also dissuade passive aggressive behavior. This can be various things, but common examples include statements that are basically meant to imply someone is either stupid or otherwise incapable of holding a rational conversation. This can include (but is not limited to) laughing at someone's conclusions rather than offering an honest rebuttal, asking people what game they were watching, or another common problem is Poster X will say "that player isn't that bad" and then Poster Y will say something akin to "LOL you think that player is good". We're not going to tolerate those kinds of comments out of respect for the community at large and for the sake of trying to just have an honest conversation.

Now, does the above cover absolutely every single kind of distraction that is unwanted? Probably not, but you should by now have a good idea of the general types of things we will be discouraging. The above examples are meant to give you a good feel for / idea of what we're looking for. If something new or different than the above happens to come along and results in the same problem (that being, any other attitude or behavior that ultimately distracts from actually just discussing the topic at hand, or that is otherwise disrespectful to other posters), we can and we will take action to curb this as well, so please don't take this to mean that if you managed to technically avoid saying something exactly like one of the above examples that you are then somehow off the hook.

That all having been said, our goal is to do so in a generally kind and respectful way, and that doesn't mean the moment we see something we don't like that somebody is going to be suspended or banned, either. It just means that at the very least we will probably say something about it, quite possibly snipping out the distracting parts of the post in question while leaving alone the parts that are actually just discussing the topics, and in the event of a repeating or excessive problem, then we will start issuing infractions to try to further discourage further repeat problems, and if it just never seems to improve, then finally suspensions or bans will come into play. We would prefer it never went that far, and most of the time for most of our posters, it won't ever have to.

A slip up every once and a while is pretty normal, but, again, when it becomes repetitive or excessive, something will be done. Something occasional is probably going to be let go (within reason), but when it starts to become habitual or otherwise a pattern, odds are very good that we will step in.

There's always a small minority that like to push people's buttons and/or test their own boundaries with regards to the administrators, and in the case of someone acting like that, please be aware that this is not a court of law, but a private website run by people who are simply trying to do the right thing as they see it. If we feel that you are a special case that needs to be dealt with in an exceptional way because your behavior isn't explicitly mirroring one of our above examples of what we generally discourage, we can and we will take atypical action to prevent this from continuing if you are not cooperative with us.

Also please be aware that you will not be given a pass simply by claiming that you were 'only joking,' because quite honestly, when someone really is just joking, for one thing most people tend to pick up on the joke, including the person or group that is the target of the joke, and for another thing, in the event where an honest joke gets taken seriously and it upsets or angers someone, the person who is truly 'only joking' will quite commonly go out of his / her way to apologize and will try to mend fences. People who are dishonest about their statements being 'jokes' do not do so, and in turn that becomes a clear sign of what is really going on. It's nothing new.

In any case, quite frankly, the overall quality and health of the entire forum's community is more important than any one troublesome user will ever be, regardless of exactly how a problem is exhibiting itself, and if it comes down to us having to make a choice between you versus the greater health and happiness of the entire community, the community of this forum will win every time.

Lastly, there are also some posters, who are generally great contributors and do not otherwise cause any problems, who sometimes feel it's their place to provoke or to otherwise 'mess with' that small minority of people described in the last paragraph, and while we possibly might understand why you might feel you WANT to do something like that, the truth is we can't actually tolerate that kind of behavior from you any more than we can tolerate the behavior from them. So if we feel that you are trying to provoke those other posters into doing or saying something that will get themselves into trouble, then we will start to view you as a problem as well, because of the same reason as before: The overall health of the forum comes first, and trying to stir the pot with someone like that doesn't help, it just makes it worse. Some will simply disagree with this philosophy, but if so, then so be it because ultimately we have to do what we think is best so long as it's up to us.

If you see a problem that we haven't addressed, the best and most appropriate course for a forum member to take here is to look over to the left of the post in question. See underneath that poster's name, avatar, and other info, down where there's a little triangle with an exclamation point (!) in it? Click that. That allows you to report the post to the admins so we can definitely notice it and give it a look to see what we feel we should do about it. Beyond that, obviously it's human nature sometimes to want to speak up to the poster in question who has bothered you, but we would ask that you try to refrain from doing so because quite often what happens is two or more posters all start going back and forth about the original offending post, and suddenly the entire thread is off topic or otherwise derailed. So while the urge to police it yourself is understandable, it's best to just report it to us and let us handle it. Thank you!

All of the above is going to be subject to a case by case basis, but generally and broadly speaking, this should give everyone a pretty good idea of how things will typically / most often be handled.

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If this is done the wrong way, those comments will be deleted, and if it's a repeating problem then it may also receive an infraction as well.

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When you ignore a user, you will unfortunately still see some hints of their existence (nothing we can do about that), however, it does the following key things:

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Regarding infractions, currently they carry a value of one point each, and that point will expire in 31 days. If at any point a poster is carrying three points at the same time, that poster will be suspended until the oldest of the three points expires.

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Are the Pacers Bored?

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    Are the Pacers Bored?

    The Pacers have had the best record in the NBA all season long, even with this less than stellar streak they have going on right now. Still winning the majority of their games, the Pacers haven’t looked as dominant as they did early in the season. When watching the Pacers for the majority of 2014, the word lackadaisical comes to mind. Many call it the “dog days” of the NBA season. So I ask, are the Pacers bored?

    Look, we know when this team is on, they can beat any team. I said it five games in, this team should win it all. I still believe that. What this team was showing at the start of the season was a ridiculous level of play. What makes this team so dangerous is how great of a cohesive unit they are. They aren’t built like the stars in Miami. It takes a high level of focus and commitment for this team to play at their absolute best. Something we haven’t seen from them recently.

    How many teams are true contenders this year? In the East its only Indiana and Miami. Out West, the question is a bit more difficult. OKC obviously. I was questioning the Spurs, but that beatdown of Miami has me feeling dumb. Then you have the newcomers which we have yet to see playoff success from in LAC, Portland and Houston. As good as Portland is, they aren’t winning it all this year. The Doc Rivers led Clippers seem to be real. Houston has kicked it up a notch since 2014 hit and look more dangerous.

    So that makes six contenders in my opinion. Which leaves the Pacers with five teams to provide adequate competition. The only team the Pacers haven’t beaten in that group is OKC. Swept LAC, split with Miami so far, 1-0 vs the Spurs and Houston. Now I ask, when was the last time the Pacers have played any of these five teams?

    January 18th, vs the Clippers. Which the Pacers won in an absolute stomp. When was the previous meeting against any of those teams? December 20th against Houston, a 33 point victory for the Pacers.

    We had our most ridiculous stretch of basketball, schedule wise when we played these five teams six times in ten games. We went 4-2 in that stretch against them. Four of those games were on the road, including both losses, at OKC and at Miami.

    Tonight we play Houston. Our first game against an elite team in nearly two months. Pau Gasol talked about it after we destroyed the Lakers. The best teams don’t try their best every game. It was what, 8 minutes in the Lakers game that won the game for the Pacers?

    Quite frankly our schedule has been kind of a joke since December. Now you can say, well then we should be winning at a much higher rate. I don’t disagree. We should. But, when you are aspiring to be the best, you want to play the best. The East is absolute garbage. There is no competition for the Pacers outside of Miami. We’ve played the majority of the elite Western Conference teams already.

    Lackadaisical. Our schedule hasn’t been conducive to letting the Pacers even show the best basketball. At the start of the season, it was about sending a message. The Indiana Pacers are here to win the NBA Championship. That message was received by everybody. And its still there, even as they aren’t playing at that “elite” level. 4-2 when you play the six best teams in the league in a matter of ten games is impressive. That is still who this team is. Competition brings out the best in competitors. And quite frankly, since that December stretch, the competition just hasn’t been there for the Pacers. Its just been the East… In an 82 game season, this just happens. You aren’t going to see the most inspiring basketball when you are facing the bottom of the barrel for months.

    In the Pacers last 21 games, they play the elite teams five times. And play good teams another five times. So the schedule is picking up. Which I believe will be a very good thing. And it starts tonight, with Houston, the team with the best record since 2014. Lackadaisical basketball will not beat them. The boredom of the schedule is ending. The playoffs are nearing. The competition is returning. Which means in my opinion, the product on the court should be improving.

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    Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

    I'm sort of on board with this. I think it's a little bit of trying to conserve energy, maybe a little bored, maybe a little bit of mid-season-grind malaise, and maybe a little bit dinged up.
    There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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    • #3
      Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

      Yeah, it is probably a combination of about 10 things. Boredom or something similar is probably 1 of the ten things.

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      • #4
        Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

        We're itching for the playoffs to start. I think that's most of it.

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        • #5
          Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

          I think they want the Dallas and Houston games though. Houston will be a nice notch in the belt. Dallas beat us at home earlier in the season.

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          • #6
            Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

            I could see them as bored after the first few "meh" games. However, if you are competitive at all, you tend to stop being bored as soon as you start failing to succeed at individual goals like hitting shots or making passes.
            BillS

            A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
            Or throw in a first-round pick and flip it for a max-level point guard...

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            • #7
              Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

              If they are/were, they won't be much longer. Enough people starting to question them or knock them to where their pride should be hurting a bit. Wouldn't be surprised if they get up a bit as a result.

              Now, whether "get up a bit" cures all that ails them, which is a healthy amount right now, I don't know.

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              • #8
                Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                No they aren't bored, they got big headed. For the past 2 months they've had every single sport publication calling for interviews. GQ photoshoot, Allstar Bids. They thought they could just show up and beat many of these teams. They need to be reminded that that haven't done anything yet. Vogel needs to take some of that EGO out of the starting line up. Put the rookie back in there for a handful of games over Lance. We obviously need a serious kick in the rear defensively.
                You can't get champagne from a garden hose.

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                • #9
                  Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                  And I think it is something different in each game. I think in Charlotte the starters were just dead tired. Call that an excuse if you want, but it was true. Warriors - I think our first half if preety much on par for us. Second half we stepped it up, but the little stretch to start the fourth is why we lost - the Warriors played pretty well and they are good.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                    I don't know if they are, but I certainly am.


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                    • #11
                      Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                      PG's back sort has me a little concerned. Having experience with back issues myself, I know that it can really be a worrisome sign. The fall looked bad; his comments immediately after the game weren't very encouraging; his follow-up performance of 2 points on 0-9 shooting is a concern; and mentioning his back after that game as having effected his game was concerning.

                      I'm hoping it's just muscular and not disc or nerve related. Everyone compares him to McGrady, who himself had back issues. Just hope that fall didn't begin that process.
                      There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                        Originally posted by Trader Joe View Post
                        I don't know if they are, but I certainly am.
                        Yeah. I would like for the pacers to play about 8 more regular season games. Both Heat games, at Rockets, at Mavs, maybe 1 of the Bulls games. Spurs game, OKC game. Oh that is 7, ok, maybe the Memphis game. All the other games, just give us the win, and lets keep fresh for the playoffs. I don't think anything is gained by playing the Sixers

                        Maybe the new commis will grant my wish.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                          Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                          PG's back sort has me a little concerned. Having experience with back issues myself, I know that it can really be a worrisome sign. The fall looked bad; his comments immediately after the game weren't very encouraging; his follow-up performance of 2 points on 0-9 shooting is a concern; and mentioning his back after that game as having effected his game was concerning.

                          I'm hoping it's just muscular and not disc or nerve related. Everyone compares him to McGrady, who himself had back issues. Just hope that fall didn't begin that process.
                          See, I would question this team a helluva lot more than I do now if he's really playing hurt. They would have to know better than that, especially with a spinal injury, which is no joke (from personal family experience: my mom had a two-level fusion done on her cervical vertebrae, and you just don't mess with that, it can paralyze you if unattended or untreated).

                          Maybe he's sore, but if it's serious, this team has a lot more to answer for than a few uninspired performances.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                            My hope is that the team went through the proper and adequate processes to analyze his back and deemed that it was merely nothing more than a tailbone bruise or muscular thing and told him he'd be in pain and nothing more until it healed up.
                            There are two types of quarterbacks in the league: Those whom over time, the league figures out ... and those who figure out the league.

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                              Re: Are the Pacers Bored?

                              Originally posted by Kid Minneapolis View Post
                              PG's back sort has me a little concerned. Having experience with back issues myself, I know that it can really be a worrisome sign. The fall looked bad; his comments immediately after the game weren't very encouraging; his follow-up performance of 2 points on 0-9 shooting is a concern; and mentioning his back after that game as having effected his game was concerning.

                              I'm hoping it's just muscular and not disc or nerve related. Everyone compares him to McGrady, who himself had back issues. Just hope that fall didn't begin that process.



                              He said it's still tight but he'll play tonight. I don't think it's a disc or anything serious. If so, he wouldn't be able to stand upright at all. Much less play basketball.

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