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Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

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  • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

    Originally posted by Unclebuck View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm wondering if you watched the game tonight. Wondering the last time Rondo had 3 threes. Celtics were pretty good tonight
    And not just threes, but LONG threes. Significantly behind the line.
    This space for rent.

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    • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

      Originally posted by ilive4sports View Post
      Don't let your love of Danny Granger cloud your judgement of Turner's play. Quite frankly, if we had Granger and not Turner tonight, we lose that game.
      I love Danny, but I agree. I never wanted to see a PG / Danny / Lance lineup out there, but I was pleasantly surprised with PG / Lance / ET.
      This space for rent.

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      • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

        Originally posted by owl View Post
        Still am surprised that DG could be turned into Evan Turner. Danny was still in recovery mode and not playing like he may eventually.
        I just waned to second this emotion. The coming together of Philly deciding to basically blow their team up and rebuild from the draft, the availability of a Danny Granger as a player or a salary dump and the willingness of Bird and his staff to always be alert to team improvement is amazing. The almost constant degradation of Granger's value to the Pacer's by some posters bothers me a little, but it was the same with J.O., Brad Miller and every other guy who leaves here.
        One more comment if I may. The way Vogel used Turner was a combination of good coaching and good circumstances, IMO. We have a new player whose strength is ball handling and being able to create shots, we played a team we were going to beat, what better time to experiment with Turner at the Point and with differing lineups? Bird and Vogel are slowly bringing the Pacers to a team that doesn't have pigeon holed positions (except Centers) and more to basketball players who can play multiple positions as they are needed. I expect Frank to get the focus back to shut down defense by the end of this month. We are relying on being able to beat some teams right now with our offense.

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        • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

          Originally posted by MiaDragon View Post
          I will also say it's refreshing not to see multiple possessions with the second unit end with a shot clock violation or a last second heave from outer space because our guys are too timid to put up shots. Turner may not take the best shot 100% of the time but the guy's not scared to put the ball up. Yes please.
          Yeah, I mostly agree with this. I start to get a little uneasy when he misses a couple in a row, but overall I think it's a good thing so long as he keeps his FG% high. I think at one point he was 6/9 before he started to cool off.

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          • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

            So my question is: Will see the the ET/LS/PG backcourt again, and if so, how often? I think the answer is 'almost certainly' but it's the how often that I'm not so sure of.

            I'll be honest, and I free admit it's very early, but on the surface I prefer ET at that spot to George Hill, and I realize that's going to be an unpopular thing to say, but IMO Hill is no more of a PG than Turner is, but I happen to like Turner's game more than I like Hill's so in an offense that doesn't really ask for a traditional point guard, I'd prefer ET, but that's just me. ET's play (or Hill's for that matter) could change my feelings later.

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            • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

              Man, Evan Turner is so much more versatile than Granger. He is a much better athlete, ball handler and shot creator. Granger was a better long range shooter, but thats it. I like Granger, but getting Turner for him is an obvious upgrade.

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              • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                So my question is: Will see the the ET/LS/PG backcourt again, and if so, how often? I think the answer is 'almost certainly' but it's the how often that I'm not so sure of.

                I'll be honest, and I free admit it's very early, but on the surface I prefer ET at that spot to George Hill, and I realize that's going to be an unpopular thing to say, but IMO Hill is no more of a PG than Turner is, but I happen to like Turner's game more than I like Hill's so in an offense that doesn't really ask for a traditional point guard, I'd prefer ET, but that's just me. ET's play (or Hill's for that matter) could change my feelings later.
                We could see it again, that said I prefer Hill. Hill is looking to distribute the ball more and is also a better long range shooter that helps stretch the defense and creates lanes for Lance and PG to drive. With Turner in the defense can crowd the middle more.

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                • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                  Originally posted by joew8302 View Post
                  We could see it again, that said I prefer Hill. Hill is looking to distribute the ball more and is also a better long range shooter that helps stretch the defense and creates lanes for Lance and PG to drive. With Turner in the defense can crowd the middle more.
                  Hill definitely spaces the floor with his shot, but I feel like with smart player movement combined with the talent of that trio (LT/LS/PG), you can negate a lot of that disadvantage anyway, especially considering the new mismatches you have with that size on the floor.

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                  • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                    Originally posted by graphic-er View Post
                    Well there are lot of situations where it applies in my opinion.
                    Player A gets the ball at the 3pt line, dribbles around a bunch of screens and forces a tough contested shot. While never passing the ball.
                    Player A gets the ball in a close game and chucks a quick shot early in the shot clock cause he was feeling it. While never passing the ball.
                    Player A gets the ball at the end of a game and waives everyone off so he can go one on one for the contested stept back fadeaway (which is a terribly inefficient shot).

                    But its called Hero ball because only a handful of players in the league actually excel at it.
                    i think that the Pacers cant play hero ball as we have so many guys to take the last shot.
                    Smothered Chicken!

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                    • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                      For all those people worrying about how we're barely beating bad teams and what will happen when we play good teams, especially in the playoffs... Anybody remember us losing our last 3 games and 5 of 6 to end last season and people freaking out? Yeah, me neither. Because this team knows how to play when it matters most. We'll be fine. Any win is a good win in the NBA, especially on the road.
                      A healthy man takes a crap every day. A smart man does it on company time.

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                      • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                        Originally posted by beast23 View Post
                        I think this is probably one of the best points made in this thread. That's really why Vogel went with Turner and not Watson. Well that and Turner being a better, bigger defender.

                        Although it was Turner who controlled the ball down the stretch, it just as easily could have been Lance. I think Vogel realized that Boston did not have the personnel to adequately guard both players. I would imagine that both players were encouraged to work the ball, depending on Boston's matchup. It just worked out that Boston didn't switch off, so we worked through Turner and not Lance.

                        What I liked about Turner is that he seems to know his limitations. No matter how open he was at the 3-point line, and it was a lot, he only took the one three point attempt. Instead, he repeatedly went to his preferred spots, getting a 8 to 10 foot shots about anytime he wanted them.

                        Having Turner and Lance, both very capable slashers, on the floor together will prove to be a huge advantage for us. Paul can take advantage of some match ups, but just isn't nearly as good as the other two at handling the ball in traffic. With Turner and Lance on the court together, trying to create their own opportunities, it should result in a lot of open looks for Paul and West/Scola.

                        I've long been a fan of Danny Granger, but like everyone else I did see the handwriting on the wall. I think most would concede that a player with Turner strengths does provide a better fit with the needs of the team. We will miss Granger's post defense, but Turner's midrange game, slashing/creating abilities, along with an overall equivalent to better defensive presence, provides dynamics that are more valuable to us. I think Turner's fit will only get better at both ends of the floor as he plays more and more minutes with the team.

                        Obviously, most of us are absolutely giddy about the future possibilities. It appears to me that Turner may prove to be a player that gives the Pacers a lot of options this summer if the Pacers are forced to choose between Lance and Turner, or even GHill.





                        This is why Vogel should play Turner off the bench with Copeland and Rasual. He'll have shooters to dish off to.

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                        • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                          Originally posted by Manguera View Post
                          For all those people worrying about how we're barely beating bad teams and what will happen when we play good teams, especially in the playoffs... Anybody remember us losing our last 3 games and 5 of 6 to end last season and people freaking out? Yeah, me neither. Because this team knows how to play when it matters most. We'll be fine. Any win is a good win in the NBA, especially on the road.
                          I even remember us getting spanked by the Knicks when they started Copeland at center against us in those last couple weeks.

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                          • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                            I hope the fact that ET played point guard last night will finally, finally put down the idea that Lance will play point guard here. He is an attacking two and damn good at it.


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                            • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                              CJ really struggled on defense last night. Rondo got where he wanted and killed us most of the game.


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                              • Re: Pacers / Celtics Post Game Thread - 3/1

                                Originally posted by Hicks View Post
                                Hill definitely spaces the floor with his shot, but I feel like with smart player movement combined with the talent of that trio (LT/LS/PG), you can negate a lot of that disadvantage anyway, especially considering the new mismatches you have with that size on the floor.
                                Turner is much more consistently aggressive and like you say the mismatches are huge. If teams don't have 3 good wing defenders on the floor they are in trouble. This is a counterpoint to people playing that small mid range game that has hurt the Pacers. Turner would dominate a 6'2" guard attempting to stop that fade away.

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