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    CLIPPERS SIGN FORMER ALL-STAR DANNY GRANGER





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    The Los Angeles Clippers announced today that they have signed free agent forward Danny Granger. Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

    Granger, 30, appeared in 29 games (two starts) this season with the Indiana Pacers averaging 8.3 points, 3.6 rebounds and 1.1 assists in 22.6 minutes per game. He played his entire eight-year NBA career with the Pacers. He holds career averages of 17.6 points, 5.1 rebounds and 2.0 assists in 544 games (425 starts) over 32.5 minutes per game.

    The New Orleans native has appeared in 22 playoff games (19 starts) throughout his career, averaging 15.6 points, 5.5 rebounds and 2.4 assists over 34.8 minutes per game. Granger’s best season with the Pacers came in 2008-09 when he averaged a career-high 25.8 points to go along with 5.1 rebounds and 2.7 assists while averaging 2.7 three-pointers per game. For his efforts, he was selected to the Eastern Conference All-Star team and was voted the NBA’s Most Improved Player.

    Originally drafted 17th overall in the 2005 NBA Draft, Granger started his collegiate career at Bradley where he played for two seasons. He transferred to the University of New Mexico after his first semester of his sophomore year and played two seasons for the Lobos. A First Team All-Mountain West selection, Granger was the only player in the NCAA that averaged 18.8 points and 8.9 rebounds while also averaging at least 2.0 blocks (2.1), 2.0 steals (2.0) and 2.0 assists (2.0) his senior season.


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    Good for him. I'd say the same if he joined the Heatles, though.

    May hit a big corner 3 for them in a playoff game. Other than that....

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    They needed another forward badly. It's a good fit really. Another leader or veteran voice in that locker room wouldn't hurt either.
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    It sounds like a heck of an opportunity for Danny on a contending team. That said, if he doesn't play defense I can't see him getting much more time under Doc Rivers.

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    It sounds like a heck of an opportunity for Danny on a contending team. That said, if he doesn't play defense I can't see him getting much more time under Doc Rivers.
    Defense hasn't been Danny's problem since his return

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    Defense hasn't been Danny's problem since his return
    Have you seen him play any defense since his return?

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    Have you seen him play any defense since his return?
    Yes, specifically against his new teammate Blake.

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    Have you seen him play any defense since his return?
    Yes. Plenty. Hell, one of his first plays back was blocking Dwight Howard. And that stat about players he has been guarding have only been shooting 30% against him. So yeah, Danny has been playing defense.

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    Yes. Plenty. Hell, one of his first plays back was blocking Dwight Howard. And that stat about players he has been guarding have only been shooting 30% against him. So yeah, Danny has been playing defense.
    He can't stay in front of anyone. Congrats on the selective use of statistics. He often got beat, requiring a help man to cover his guy thus breaking the defense down. Watch a replay of the Twolv game or any other for that matter.

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    Is he playing tonight?

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    Danny wasn't guarding the better shooters. He was effective guarding the post and playing smart help defense. He knows how to play the game. But he did NOT have the foot speed to guard the better wings. He was coming off the bench playing bench players or players who were not quick on the floor and explosive scorers. That job went to Lance and Paul.

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    Danny wasn't guarding the better shooters. He was effective guarding the post and playing smart help defense. He knows how to play the game. But he did NOT have the foot speed to guard the better wings. He was coming off the bench playing bench players or players who were not quick on the floor and explosive scorers. That job went to Lance and Paul.
    False. Danny guarded Wes Matthews pretty well in the POR game, he did a decent job against Parsons in the HOU game..just two examples off the top of my head. (Obviously he played Blake really well defensively, but that was in the post as you suggested) I read in another thread on here that opponents were shooting 30% against Danny this year (IIRC) That's pretty elfin good.

    When he played with the starters PG guarded the other teams bst perimeter player just as he does whenever he is on the floor.

    Danny May not be a "stopper" but he's played fairly well defensively. The idea that you need great foot speed to be an above average defender is silly. Ask Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen how much foot speed you need to be a good defender. Danny isn't anywhere close to their level obviously, but he's far from the lousy defensive player you're trying to make it seem.

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    False. Danny guarded Wes Matthews pretty well in the POR game, he did a decent job against Parsons in the HOU game..just two examples off the top of my head. (Obviously he played Blake really well defensively, but that was in the post as you suggested) I read in another thread on here that opponents were shooting 30% against Danny this year (IIRC) That's pretty elfin good.

    When he played with the starters PG guarded the other teams bst perimeter player just as he does whenever he is on the floor.

    Danny May not be a "stopper" but he's played fairly well defensively. The idea that you need great foot speed to be an above average defender is silly. Ask Ron Artest or Bruce Bowen how much foot speed you need to be a good defender. Danny isn't anywhere close to their level obviously, but he's far from the lousy defensive player you're trying to make it seem.
    In order to guard wings, you need good lateral speed and he doesn't have that. He wasn't quick before and he's noticeably slower now. Very rigid. The fact is, Lance and Paul started on the wing and if Danny got minutes against starters it was at a time he was fresh and they were not. It's clear by watching Danny Granger that he is a step slow. It's not hard to see that.

    Edit: BTW, if Granger was really that capable on D he would not have been traded. It's all about winning this year and if he were really getting his legs back the team would have placed their bet on him because we need perimeter shooting BAD. That would come back to him given more time if he really had his legs back. Turner isn't the better player if Granger is the player some of you describe.
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    Danny wasn't guarding the better shooters. He was effective guarding the post and playing smart help defense. He knows how to play the game. But he did NOT have the foot speed to guard the better wings.
    Danny did fine guarding wings. I've commented on it repeatedly, and you mostly didn't really until after he was traded. The one place where I'd concede that he struggled was running through multiple screens, which he's never really been great at. But I don't think I ever saw a guy beat him straight up.
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    Danny did fine guarding wings. I've commented on it repeatedly, and you mostly didn't really until after he was traded. The one place where I'd concede that he struggled was running through multiple screens, which he's never really been great at. But I don't think I ever saw a guy beat him straight up.
    Ok. So are you saying Danny's healthy? Must be if he can defend well, right?

    If he's healthy, why would he not be a much better option with that perimeter game. He's a better offensive player, assuming he's healthy of course, than Evan Turner.

    Why trade a guy like that Anthem? Why not wait for his shot to return given how valuable it would be to this team? You can see he has the free throws down. Clearly it's his legs, right?

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    Ok. So are you saying Danny's healthy? Must be if he can defend well, right?

    If he's healthy, why would he not be a much better option with that perimeter game. He's a better offensive player, assuming he's healthy of course, than Evan Turner.

    Why trade a guy like that Anthem? Why not wait for his shot to return given how valuable it would be to this team? You can see he has the free throws down. Clearly it's his legs, right?
    Simple, the trade wasn't about this season.

    Danny obviously isn't as mobile at this point as he was before, but mobile enough. His biggest struggle was lift, and endurance. I'm not convinced that come playoff time that Turner will clearly be a better option.

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    Simple, the trade wasn't about this season.

    Danny obviously isn't as mobile at this point as he was before, but mobile enough. His biggest struggle was lift, and endurance. I'm not convinced that come playoff time that Turner will clearly be a better option.
    I really can't make this any clearer:

    "My goal is to put the best team I possibly can out there right now," Bird said.

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    Simple, the trade wasn't about this season.

    Danny obviously isn't as mobile at this point as he was before, but mobile enough. His biggest struggle was lift, and endurance. I'm not convinced that come playoff time that Turner will clearly be a better option.
    The trade was definitely about this season. Bird has said a million different times that the 2014 season is the only thing that is on his mind right now and that he isn't worried about next season at the moment. We made the trade because Turner is a substantially better player than DG right now. The fact that we have the option to keep Turner makes it even more of a no brainier, but make no mistake, there is no way Bird makes that trade if DG is still the better player. Bird wouldn't have done anything if he felt it jeopardized our 2014 chances. This was all about improving our chances this year, and it hasn't taken long for Turner to show that he's a much better player. Next year is just a nice cherry on top.

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    Ok. So are you saying Danny's healthy? Must be if he can defend well, right?
    Eh, define "healthy." He's clearly not yet all the way back physically. It's similar to after David West's surgery. In his first year back, West wasn't nearly as fully recovered as he was during his second year back. I expect Danny in May to be better than Danny in February, and I expect Danny in October to be better still. But we're competing for a championship right now. Not just in May when the playoffs start; we're in a standings battle right now and need improvement right now.

    So when we talk about "right now," I think Danny's difficulty isn't primarily physical. He doesn't have all of his quickness or all of his lift back (Note that this isn't the same statement as "He doesn't have any lift and can't move laterally.") He does wear down easily (because he spent the summer busy at rehab instead of working on conditioning) but I think it's mostly mental. There was this belief by certain folks (I don't remember if you were one of them) that Danny was going to come back chucking and trying to make the team about him. I always thought that was ridiculous.

    Danny's always been about the team. And so he when he came back, I think he was so focused on fitting in that he's not standing out. How many times did we see Danny make a great move to put himself in scoring position, only to pass the ball? Even on nights where he's got it going, he doesn't call his own number. Frankly there have been a lot of nights where we needed Danny to be a little more selfish.

    At this point in the season, Evan Turner's clearly the superior offensive player. And his defense has been a nice surprise, as well. But we can praise Evan without trashing Danny. I think Danny's offense will improve by the end of the season, but Turner gives us several things that Danny doesn't. He's a more flexible player; I liked that PG / Lance / Evan lineup last night a lot more than I'd like a PG / Lance / Danny one. Second, ET's more of a creator when the offense goes to crap, while Danny's always been a guy that played in the offense. Third, when ET's out with the reserves he clearly sees himself having a permanent green light. I'm not calling him selfish (at least not in a bad way), but he understands that he's on the floor to be a scorer.

    And finally, it was obvious to absolutely everyone that Danny wasn't going to be here after this year. Evan Turner is fantastic Lance insurance. Larry's not lying, Evan Turner makes us a better team this year. But if Danny improves like I expect, I don't think it's a big difference come postseason. But when you consider next season, it's a no-brainer.
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    Looks like Doc was worth that first rounder.

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    Danny chose the team were he would get major minutes and still be able to contend. He wouldn't want to go to a team where the go to guy played the same position as he does like Miami or OKC. Danny will be able to help the Clippers a great deal IMO and he should be their best sf. As far as defense he'll be a big plus their as well. Some of you make it sound like he just stood around on defense. Danny never was as quick as Paul or Lance but he's played better D then either of them in several of our last 15 games. If anyone wants Danny to do poorly in L.A. and I really think some do, you're going to be disappointed. I think he's going to look very good over the next few months and put up better numbers then we'll get out of Even unless Vogel gets off his rigid rotations.

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    ....Some of you make it sound like he just stood around on defense....
    Not at all. It was on offense that he just stood around.

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    Being a step slow doesn't mean you're terrible defensively though. Yes he's a step slow, but the fact that opponents he guarded shot 30% means SOMETHING? IDC who he's guarding.

    In spite of that fact though, unbiased eyes could tell that Danny played more than adequately defensively this year. Nobody is saying he will go to the west and be a defensive stopper. He's an above average on the ball defender, and a very good help defender. Nothing more or less at this point.

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    Being a step slow doesn't mean you're terrible defensively though. Yes he's a step slow, but the fact that opponents he guarded shot 30% means SOMETHING? IDC who he's guarding.

    In spite of that fact though, unbiased eyes could tell that Danny played more than adequately defensively this year. Nobody is saying he will go to the west and be a defensive stopper. He's an above average on the ball defender, and a very good help defender. Nothing more or less at this point.
    It means Roy Hibbert was backing him up and he was playing against backups most of the time. He is ABSOLUTELY not an above average on the ball defender. If he was still this good defensively, he would NOT have been traded because Turner wouldn't have been an upgrade.

    He's a very good help defender in the paint right now and a smart, experienced player. He can definitely guard the post against any SF and most PF's right now. That should be his niche. He will never be an elite SF again. He's not one of those good, older players who usually land on the Spurs and that's at best.

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    It means Roy Hibbert was backing him up and he was playing against backups most of the time. He is ABSOLUTELY not an above average on the ball defender. If he was still this good defensively, he would NOT have been traded because Turner wouldn't have been an upgrade.

    He's a very good help defender in the paint right now and a smart, experienced player. He can definitely guard the post against any SF and most PF's right now. That should be his niche. He will never be an elite SF again. He's not one of those good, older players who usually land on the Spurs and that's at best.
    If Danny was going against backups then Roy wasn't backing him up. Ian was. People see what they want to see. I saw an above-average defender who hadn't gotten his legs under him offensively. His only value here was defense, but the bench needed scoring, so we went and got Turner.

    I see in the OJ thread joey said OJ was a good defender. I thought OJ played no defense and only came in and jacked up shots. George Hill can't stay in front of his man to save his life, but he is known as a good defender. Again, people see what they want to see.

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