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    There is of course the article on Indystar.com, figure most of you have read that.

    Here is an article out of Detroit


    http://www.detnews.com/2005/pistons/.../C05-81136.htm


    Pacers might yet get Artest back

    Indiana's suspended star could return for the end of the regular season or the playoffs.

    By Chris McCosky / The Detroit News



    AUBURN HILLS--Don't sleep on the Indiana Pacers. They might not be dead just yet.

    They stopped a six-game losing streak Friday against Dallas, without point guard Jamaal Tinsley and small forward Stephen Jackson, and they play in Atlanta today.

    With a victory against the dismal Hawks, they could ease back into the eighth playoff spot and get back on their feet with a relatively easy February schedule in front of them.

    On top of all that, I have a sneaky suspicion that Commissioner David Stern is going to free Ron Artest and reinstate him before the end of the season.

    Stern has been asked about Artest repeatedly, and he has never completely rejected the possibility of allowing him to come back.

    "I refuse to reject (that possibility), but I don't accept it either," Stern told the Rocky Mountain News Friday. "I just (don't) want to say, 'Never, never, never.' "

    He said the same thing in an ESPN interview. The window obviously isn't closed and sealed against Artest coming back. Why else would Artest be practicing with the Pacers?

    My guess, and it's only a guess, is that Stern will work out some kind of compromise. Perhaps he will allow Artest to come back after March 1 and finish the regular season, but make him ineligible for the playoffs.

    Or, he could go the other way and reinstate him for the playoffs, sort of rewarding the Pacers for their perseverance.

    Either way, I think the guy is coming back this season.

    Pacers President Larry Bird wisely refuses to speculate on that topic, but he believes, ever so cautiously, that Artest has been reformed.

    "Oh, yeah," Bird said, unable to conceal a smile. "I've said that to other teams, too. They call about Ronnie and I say, 'Hey, man, we're over the hump now. We get through this year and we're over the hump.' "

    Bird believes that the time away from basketball will make Artest more tolerant.

    "Ronnie was always one of those guys who'd say, 'I don't need this, I can always go back to where I grew up and hang out and play ball,' " he said. "That's over with. He realizes he loves this league. He's like everybody. He took it for granted and now he doesn't have it. "It's not just the money part, but the actual basketball part, the competing. When people retire the thing they miss is the locker room and the competition. That's what he's finding out."

    We'll see.


    On the block


    With more than a little help from my colleague Mark Montieth of the Indianapolis Star, here is quick list of players on the trade block as the Feb. 24 deadline approaches.

    1. P.J. Brown, New Orleans: A quality big man still at 35, but he is owed $16 million over the next two seasons. Tough sell.

    2. Nick Van Exel, Portland: At least five teams have been inquiring about him, and you have to believe Indiana is one of them. He makes $11.8 million this year, with a team option ($12.7 million) next year.

    3. Dale Davis, Golden State: If you have $10 million in tradable assets, you can have him. He's on the last year of his deal.

    4. Eddie Jones, Miami: The Heat have been trying to trade him for a couple of years. His $13.5 million could come off the books next season.

    5. Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee: A perfect pickup for a late-season push. Hasn't played much all year and he only makes $3 million.

    6. Donyell Marshall, Toronto: The Raptors are asking for a king's ransom in return for Marshall and Jalen Rose. But, as the deadline gets closer, his talent and his $5 million contract, on its final year, will become more attractive.

    7. Gary Payton, Boston: He has made it clear he wants to move back to the West Coast, though league rules prohibit his return to the Lakers (which has been rumored). Boston isn't going anywhere, and they need to play Marcus Banks. So, they might as well use this chip while they can.

    9. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Portland: Elbow surgery has taken his name off the front burner, but he is expected back after the All-Star break. He is in the final year, making $14 million.

    10. Glenn Robinson, Philadelphia: Just have a feeling somebody might take a flier on him (maybe even the Sixers). He's in the last year, making $12 million.


    Sound bytes


    • Wizards coach Eddie Jordan, on his team ranking 30th, last, in team defense: "We're not 31? Sometimes, I think we're 31. I don't know, there may be an NBDL team that might be better than us right now."

    • Utah coach Jerry Sloan, confronting rumors that some of his players wanted out: "I asked them if anybody wanted to be traded. If they did, we'd try to get them out of here. If they thought it was too tough, if there was something we needed to do, we can take care of it. ... They have to decide who they're going to listen to -- their agents, their mom and dad. Who's going to coach them?"



    Chris McCosky's quick hits


    • Shaquille O'Neal always gets the last laugh. Last year, Mavericks coach Don Nelson one-upped him. After Shaq had told Nelson he would never get the best of him because "when it's all said and done, I'll have five (championship rings) and he'll have none," Nelson promptly reminded Shaq that he won five rings with the Celtics. Undaunted, Shaq fired back, "He did win five? I didn't know that. He's the Jack Haley of his era." Jack Haley, of course, was the bench-warmer and Dennis Rodman caddie on Bulls and Lakers title teams.

    • Grant Hill has a little surprise in store for All-Star teammate Vince Carter. He's going to do to Carter what Scottie Pippen used to do to him -- make him guard the toughest assignment. "When I was young and Scottie (Pippen) and I were both the forwards, the West starters were Shawn Kemp and (Charles Barkley)," Hill said. "Neither of us wanted to guard Kemp because he was a beast, and Barkley was usually hung over. So Scottie would stick me on Kemp. I'm the veteran now and I'm going to put Vince on the other man I don't want." Well, it's pick your poison, Grant. The choices are Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett.

    • Don't be surprised, though, if Duncan opts to skip the All-Star Game. His body is banged up, and mentally, he's drained. "It would be an exceptional time for me, not only physically, but, oddly enough, also mentally to just get away from the game," Duncan said. "I've been playing basically for three, four years straight, so it would be great to get away from it for a little bit of time."

    • Detroit Mercy's Willie Green is really going through the NBA roller-coaster in Philadelphia. Over a 16-game period, he started four games (including a career-high 32-point effort), came off the bench in seven games but playing less than 10 minutes in four of those, and had five games where he didn't play at all. On the year he has 18 starts and seven DNPs. "It's been like that so I'm kind of numb to it," he said. The problem is, Green and Allen Iverson don't play well together -- they are both undersized and both have to dominate the ball to be effective. So, Green's minutes come when Iverson is down -- which isn't very often.

    • Get this. Long-time NBA scholar, Bulls second-year point guard Kirk Hinrich (you catching my sarcasm?), thinks Eddy Curry should be an All-Star. "At the center spot in the East, who else is better than him besides Shaq?" Hinrich said. Hmm, Ben Wallace? Ever hear of him? Zydunas Ilgauskas, Chris Bosh, Emeka Okafor -- any of those guys ring a bell?

    • Sounds like free agent-to-be Michael Redd is doing some serious stumping to be in Cleveland next season. The Bucks star is from Columbus, and he wasn't shy about his desires. "Being from Columbus, that's why I went to Ohio State because it was close to home," Redd said. "The pros are different because it's about my livelihood. Life throws you curveballs and throws you into different situations. (In terms of where I'll play next year,) we'll see what happens. I love Columbus, and I have family in Cleveland." Redd is not a maximum-contract player, in my estimation, but Cleveland will probably have to offer him that to pry him away from the Bucks. The Cavs are one of only three teams expected to be able to offer a max deal (the Hawks and Warriors are the others).

    • Seems that when Carlos Arroyo was traded to Detroit, he left the local Jiffy Lube folks in Utah in a bad spot. Just a couple of days before the trade, Jiffy Lube launched its winter promotion campaign -- Carlos Arroyo lunch boxes. The company is now stuck with 6,800 lunch boxes. Ouch.

    • According to his agent, Cliff Robinson didn't fail a drug test. He was suspended for five games because, agent Bradley Marshall said, he missed a phone call check-up during a Warriors road trip in January. He is on probation because of a Feb. 5, 2001 arrest for driving under the influence and marijuana possession in Scottsdale, Ariz. Marshall said Robinson is appealing the suspension to get back the money ($65,000 per game).

    • The details of Rudy Tomjanovich's stress-related resignation from the Lakers are sad and scary. He was apparently so stressed that he was on medication that was potentially addictive. He said he tried an anti-depressant. When that didn't work, his doctors put him on something "stronger than that." The medication left him so groggy, he said he was stopping to get big cups of coffee twice on his way to work. No wonder his body, and mind, broke down.

    • Timberwolves coach Flip Saunders sees a trend with the departures of Tomjanovich, Lenny Wilkens, Hubie Brown and with Don Nelson missing numerous games this season. "What I wonder, it seems like a lot of the basketball purists are the guys that are leaving," he said. "Whether it's Lenny Wilkens, Hubie Brown, the guys you consider purists, teachers. ... when you're a coach and that's all you've done, you're in it for the camaraderie, the teaching, all those factors. And that's what makes it all worthwhile. When some of those things start to be compromised, you lose a little bit of your passion." I think Larry Brown can relate to that.

    • Most coaches don't feel comfortable campaigning to get their players reserve spots on the All-Star team. Brown won't do it, for example. None of the old-school coaches will. But, as we know, Rick Carlisle has. Now Magic coach Johnny Davis is doing it. He has sent letters to coaches asking them to vote for Steve Francis. Weak.

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    As I said about a couple of weeks ago, I now believe he will return.

    Both this season & next.

    Oh well at least I'm happy for you. I know what it's like to not be able to watch your favorite player so for your sake I guess I'm glad.

    However for my sake I think I will need lots of Pepto Bismol. Not like I don't need that now anyway.


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    But I'm not going to get my hopes up yet. He has not said anything remotely close to yes, and until he does, I am going to assume he won't be back.

    But I sure can pray.
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    Interesting that Mark Montieth is credited in that article

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    Well they should credit him, at least two parts of it are copied from his articles.

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    Well they should credit him, at least two parts of it are copied from his articles.

    That's not unusual, out of town writers copy from the local guys all the time

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    Yes, he will wait until we are mathematically out of contention for a playoff spot, but still in the hunt for one of the best lottery spots, then offer to let Artest come back.

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    If he does the "compromise" of letting Ron back for the regular season but NOT the playoffs, I may stop watching the NBA until October.

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    As I said about a couple of weeks ago, I now believe he will return.

    Both this season & next.

    Oh well at least I'm happy for you. I know what it's like to not be able to watch your favorite player so for your sake I guess I'm glad.

    However for my sake I think I will need lots of Pepto Bismol. Not like I don't need that now anyway.

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    If he does the "compromise" of letting Ron back for the regular season but NOT the playoffs, I may stop watching the NBA until October.

    I don't see how he could do that.

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    Let me ask a general question.

    If Stern does let Artest back in before the season is over & allows him in for the playoffs, what will you think of him.

    If, as I suspect, this was his plan all along then he will have done two things.

    1. He stopped the bad P.R. dead in it's tracks with his blitzkrieg of suspensions.

    2. He gave Ron a long suspension, which I haven't even read one of you Ron supporters say that he shouldn't have gotten.

    So if this is all true, will you eat your words about Stern & give him credit for being probably the most market savey Commish. in the world or will you still hate him for screwing our season?


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    I'll thank him for giving this season a chance.

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    Hope can drive a man crazy.

    I'm not going to get excited until I actually see #91 back on the court.

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    I will also thank him for giving this season a chance.
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    I'm starting to think what we are seeing/hearing are trial balloons being floated by Stern. This talk should let him guage media and fan reaction to Artest's possible early return. I'm seeing more positive articles and comments than negative.

    Why is this not a dead issue to Stern? Why keep talking about it? Why not just say the door is shut?

    Of course SJax needs to keep his emotions in check because any Pacer control issues could reflect on any sliver of a chance he'd let Artest come back early.

    Why would he do it? Because in retrospect a full season suspension probably was more of a kneejerk reaction and causes more attention than it should've, didn't take into account mitigating circumstances, and most importantly: drags this whole thing out thru the summer and into next season when it could end this season if Artest was allowed back.

    Why he wouldn't do it? Doesn't believe that, or want it to appear, he made the wrong decision in the first place.

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    I have suspected, for sometime, that this might happen. I think it is related to Ron's therapy and how he reacts to it.

    I feel if Stern believes Ron has undergone ample treatment and has responded in a very positive manner, he will resind some of the suspension and try to look like a benevolent and caring commish. He will state "This was all done for Ron's benefit and well being, as I am only concerned for the well fair of the players".


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    I must afree with what was specualted earlier, it's better pres for Stern to do it then not.

    Does it change my views? no
    I have not blamed this on Stern, or on Artest.
    I still think the entire procedure was laughable at best and very sad to say the least, not fitting in a world of today.
    I still think the punishment was outrageous and that does not change if it is shortened at one stage, because pieces will have to be given in return, justice itself is short sold on this matter.
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    Man wouldnt that be something if he let us get Ron for half of the season and then make him sit out for the play offs.

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    I highly doubt Ron will be back.

    But even if he is, can the team become the team they were in the beginning of the year again? I have no doubt that we will be next year, but would we be able to do it before the playoffs start?
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    Well, I think I just need to get away from this thread. It will get my hopes up. I highly doubt Ron will return.
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    I think it's a deep line of BS. It's just one more thing Stern can dangle in front of the Pacers fans before snatching it away and laugh all the way back to his office.
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    I think it's a deep line of BS. It's just one more thing Stern can dangle in front of the Pacers fans before snatching it away and laugh all the way back to his office.

    Lets hope not. Maybe Stern will actually let him back. I would be happy getting him back sometime soon after the AS break. Oh great, there I go getting my hopes up again
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    I believe even if Artest is allowed to return, and even if he was the most even-keeled human being possible with no more 'issues', it would be at such a late date that it won't help us.

    He'll be rusty. The team won't be used to playing with him in real games. Carlisle will not be able to refuse the temptation to plug him right back in with big minutes even if we've already righted the sinking ship that has been this season. And if we haven't righted it by this mythical return then we probably aren't in the playoffs anyway at that point.

    OTOH, I disagree with Peck... I want Artest to return this year because (in no particular order)-

    A: I want this episode ended this year and not drawn out thru the summer and into next year nationally (team doesn't need distractions).

    B: His return this year gets him more game time with our current players which can only help next year if the team is keeping him.

    C: His return this year could only strengthen any trade possibilities that the team might be able to get for him

    D: Getting it over with... IF he is going to snap I'd rather he get it over with this year so we can pull the plug. The fan provocation will be at its highest during his first games back I would think (tho I'm sure random fans from here on out will be on his case... The mass attacks will be mostly up front (by attacks I mean taunts and the such, MAYBE a thrown coin or something... not people coming out of the stands with pitchforks and torches).

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    I don't think he will be back.

    But even if he does, like some else said, I'm not sure we can become the same team again. And if we do, I think we still won't be as good as the Spurs.
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    It is clear that if Ron continues his treatment needs (i'm a criminal defense attorney and this is so much like a criminal case where Stern is the sentencing judge, Ron is the defendant and right now he is in a defered prosecution program where if he completes the program the case goes away and if he doesn't he becomes a felon that it's scary) and doesn't have a regression in the next month HE WILL BE BACK THIS SEASON.

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